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daturasgarden
02-19-2009, 08:33 AM
I'm looking for the best stores or websites for stocking up on dehydrated foods & medical supplies.
Does anyone have any favorites they've found with good deals?
Also...besides food/water, medical supplies, gasoline, batteries & matches...what else is everyone storing in the event of an economic collapse?

bikeguy
02-19-2009, 09:50 AM
This a good list of things expected to disappear first. YMMV.

I don't have anything against dehydrated food - other than it's expensive. Rice, beans, salt sugar and pasta will store for a long while if sealed in food grade 5 gallon plastic buckets google gamma seals.


100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

daturasgarden
02-19-2009, 10:03 AM
This is an amazing list...thank you!
I'm having concerns with medical supplies we are stocking up on. So many items such as childrens motrin, vitamins etc expire after only one year. Has anyone found any certain brand maybe that has a longer shelf life?

celeste
02-19-2009, 10:28 AM
Sustainable living thread & the list contains paper plates cups & utensils, plastic garbage bags, pesticides, liquid laundry soap (not Dr. B's all purpose liquid soaps) -- I am baffled. I thought sustainable living included environmental impact concern. The list sounds like a gun show hand out.

daturasgarden
02-19-2009, 10:37 AM
I'm thinking the list for living green & the list for surviving an economic collapse are going to look completely different. I am completely for creating the lightest footprint I can...but realistically, for me, I want to be stocked up in anyway possible for survival, first.
Just my thoughts...

drmartha
02-19-2009, 10:51 AM
I think that most medicines retain most of their effectiveness even after the expiration date.
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First, the expiration date, required by law in the United States, beginning in 1979, specifies only the date the manufacturer guarantees the full potency and safety of the drug -- it does not mean how long the drug is actually "good" or safe to use. Second, medical authorities uniformly say it is safe to take drugs past their expiration date -- no matter how "expired" the drugs purportedly are. Except for possibly the rarest of exceptions, you won't get hurt and you certainly won't get killed. A contested example of a rare exception is a case of renal tubular damage purportedly caused by expired tetracycline (reported by G. W. Frimpter and colleagues in JAMA, 1963;184:111). This outcome (disputed by other scientists) was supposedly caused by a chemical transformation of the active ingredient. Third, studies show that expired drugs may lose some of their potency over time, from as little as 5% or less to 50% or more (though usually much less than the latter). Even 10 years after the "expiration date," most drugs have a good deal of their original potency. So wisdom dictates that if your life does depend on an expired drug, and you must have 100% or so of its original strength, you should probably toss it and get a refill, in accordance with the cliché, "better safe than sorry." If your life does not depend on an expired drug -- such as that for headache, hay fever, or menstrual cramps -- take it and see what happens.
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http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/460159

daturasgarden
02-19-2009, 11:37 AM
Thanks for that info drmartha!

MotherMoon12
02-19-2009, 11:47 AM
We buy stuff from San Francisco Herb Company and we buy from the Amish Pantry in Huntsville.

Kim Yonkee
02-19-2009, 09:30 PM
I think that most medicines retain most of their effectiveness even after the expiration date.

More info about food & drug expiration dates:

http://wtfocker.com/2008/07/22/deal-o-the-week-at-focker-s-fi-i-i-i-ine-foods/

There are links to detailed articles in the post above but the gist is:

The "expiration date" doesn't mean food or medicine has actually "expired," as in... lost its potency or become unsafe.

Acid foods like tomatoes are good for 18 months past the date.

Non-acid foods (most everything except tomatoes) are good for 5 years past the date.

The main info about drug potency comes from a military study that found medicines were perfectly good 15 years after the "expiration" date.

Even past those dates, the food and medicine remains safe but may lose too much food quality or medical potency for you to want to use the stuff.

Since y'all are talking about this, I'll tell you... we are going to be doing a big medicine tent sale at Focker's in the next few weeks. We have a lot of in-date and 2008-dated OTC stuff that we need to get rid of (because we have other stuff and need the room.) It's good, safe, usable stuff and it will be really, really cheap so, if you want to stock up, I'll post the announcement when we get the medicine tent set up.

I'm trying to figure out how to say this without sounding like I'm wedging a business ad into a discussion forum. Not sure how to do that but... looking at the list, we've got a lot of that stuff at Focker's. A couple of big motherlodes we hit recently were water filters, charcoal and battery-free emergency lights.

daturasgarden
02-19-2009, 09:47 PM
Great, Kim! Let us know...

Another Texan
02-20-2009, 06:25 AM
If you are going to stock up on rice or barley it's a good idea to freeze it for a week or so to kill any moth larvae that might be finding in it.

Michael Walsh
02-20-2009, 08:15 AM
AT, same with flour, pancake mix, muffin mix, etc. Freeze, wrap tightly in zip-lock bags, store in 5-gallon paint buckets or garbage cans with lids.

daturasgarden
02-20-2009, 08:27 AM
Did not know the freezing thing...good to know!

DaBee
02-20-2009, 09:18 AM
I want to know what you have available, Kim. I'm trying to be conservative with my trips over that way with usually only one a week - Tuesdays when I work the B'ville Doggie Shop. Time is limited, also because I don't want to be out after dark. It helps me plan financially, also.