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BillVoiers
01-03-2005, 09:25 AM
Gov't Gave $1 Billion to Faith-Based Groups in 2003
Some Non-Religious Surprised to Find Themselves on List
By LAURA MECKLER, AP

WASHINGTON (Jan. 3) -- In New Haven, Conn., AIDS counselors don't hesitate to stop and pray anytime someone needs a boost. In Charleston, S.C., Crisis Ministries provides shelter and meals for the homeless and the hungry.



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Visitors to TMM Family Services in Tucson, Ariz., which received $25,000 for housing counseling, are greeted by a photo of Jesus and quotes from the Bible.


Both are on a White House list of ''faith-based organizations'' that together received more than $1 billion in federal grants in 2003. But when it comes to religion, the groups' philosophies are quite different.

The Connecticut AIDS program doesn't hesitate to incorporate religion into its program. But in South Carolina, Crisis Ministries doesn't consider itself religious at all.


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''Someone has obviously designated us a faith-based organization, but we don't recognize ourselves as that,'' said Stacey Denaux, executive director of Crisis Ministries.

Hers was one of many groups with entirely secular missions that were surprised to find their names on a list of faith-based groups provided to The Associated Press by the White House.

Other grant recipients are overtly religious, offering social service programs that the government may have deemed too religious to receive money before President Bush launched his ''faith-based initiative.''

Visitors to TMM Family Services in Tucson, Ariz., which received $25,000 for housing counseling, are greeted by a picture of Jesus and quotes from the Bible.

''We believe that people being connected to the faith of their choice is important to them having a productive life,'' said Don Strauch, an ordained minister and executive director of the group, which offers a variety of social services. ''Just because we take government money doesn't mean we back down on that philosophy.''

All told, religious-oriented groups were awarded $1.17 billion in 2003. That is about 8 percent of the $14.5 billion spent on social programs that qualify for faith-based grants in five federal departments. White House officials expect the total to grow.

The list of 2003 grant recipients provided to AP is the first detailed tally of the dollars behind this ''faith-based initiative.''

Elected with strong support of religious conservatives, Bush came to office promising to open government's checkbook to religious groups that provide social services. Often, Bush says, religious groups do a better job serving the poor than do government agencies.

Civil libertarians fear the government will wind up paying for worship, eroding the constitutional separation between church and state.

Jim Towey, who directs the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, said the administration has been clear that ''government money is not to fund religious activities.''

''This is a culture change in the way government provides social services,'' he said. ''There's always going to be a very delicate balance.''

In the past, government has refrained from giving money directly to religious groups, but it has required they set up independent, secular organizations to get taxpayer dollars. Bush tried to get Congress to change that. Congress refused, so he unilaterally put many of his changes into effect.

The White House also hosted several conferences explaining the relaxed rules and put out a book listing programs participants might want to apply for.

''We feel much more at ease,'' said Louis Wonderly, past president of the Luther House Foundation of Southern Chester County, Pa. The group was awarded $10.3 million to build an apartment building for low-income older people.

''We won't have to say, 'Oh my goodness, is it terrible to have a cross hanging on a bulletin board?''' Wonderly said.

It is unclear how much religion is too much religion when government money is involved. The courts have issued mixed rulings. The administration says a group getting federal money can sponsor worship and other religious activities so long as they are separated by time and location from activities paid by the government.

In New Haven, Conn., Women in Search of Health Education and Spirituality got almost $500,000 to help AIDS patients who are just out of drug treatment. Each session begins with a daily affirmation, where each participant chooses something to read, religious or secular.

The program's director, Patricia Lafayette, said a spiritual connection is emphasized. ''Generally, that's the key to recovery,'' she said.

''We pray anytime someone asks,'' added Joyce Poole, director of the AIDS Interfaith Network, which sponsors the program. ''Some clients walk in and say they need a prayer and a hug and we stop whatever we're doing for them.''

At the federal penitentiary in Leavenworth, Kan., Life Connections got more than $50,000 to help inmates who are about to be freed and who volunteer to participate and pick one of six religious programs to follow. Activities include a two-week spiritual retreat and six weeks of intense religious study.

White House aides declined to say whether those particular programs were appropriate.

The grants on the White House list were not specifically targeted to religious organizations. Rather, the list includes all groups believed to be faith-based that won competitive federal grants open to all applicants.

Specifically, it includes recipients of competitive grants administered by five federal departments: Health and Human Services, Housing and Urban Development, Education, Labor and Justice. Not included are the billions sent to the states for distribution.

An AP analysis of the $1.17 billion and nearly 150 interviews in 30 states with grant recipients found:

-Many are well-established, large social service providers that have received federal money for decades. More than 80 percent of recipients at HHS had received federal money before. At HUD, the figure was 93 percent.

James DeVito
01-03-2005, 01:24 PM
When the CDP looked into why it was not awarded its latest grant application, we found that the majority of grants were going to faith based organizations. I guess we should change the C in CDP from "community" to "christian".

Barb Dunnam
01-03-2005, 02:00 PM
I am very careful now as to what Federal dollars I try for.
A great many of our funds for youth programs are becoming very very focused. If we do not qualify because we are so small they are not interestedc in us. Then we notice that before CBO Community based Organizations the Announcement says Faith Based.
No it is not supposed to be a prioritized call for candidates but...........
There are plenty of positions open from grants reviewers right now. If you want to help make a difference this is a great way to do it.

Maybe I should rename us as well
Having Faith in Eureka Kids : )

I wonder if I can get some big bucks now??

becsflowers
01-03-2005, 07:55 PM
That's a lotta balls comin from the same government who wants to remove God from public buildings and schools.

Sounds like the grants are being distributed by the "religous right" and should be ILLEGAL to GIVE GRANTS to religous groups period. That's what passing the bucket at church is for. And PRIVATE donators.

This REEKS of misappropriation of public funds.

Lets all elect the same bas$#@!! next time, huh?

Speaking of which, only 5% of people I knew of "claimed" to have voted republican. The "other" majority of the remaining 95% were LIARS.

[This message has been edited by becsflowers (edited 01-03-2005).]

retchief88
01-03-2005, 08:33 PM
I am glad people are waking up and seeing what is happening . I am a democrat and i am very impressed reading a book about Jesse Ventura title I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED

becsflowers
01-03-2005, 08:43 PM
I have a lot of respect for Jesse Ventura.

Becky Davis
01-04-2005, 02:19 AM
If I were not a faith based organization and receiving money, I would keep my mouth shut.

I have great support for AA and would consider it a faith based organization because it contributes its success to a higher power. However, it has never taken money from the government or special interests groups. I don't think George W got this point from Bill W. when he sobered up.

retchief88
01-04-2005, 06:40 PM
DID YOU READ TODAYS mORNING NEWS PAGE 5B LOWER LEFT YOUR PRESIDENT WANTS THE STATES TO GIVE TO MORE RELIGIOUS GROUPS.
iF I KNEW HOW TO POST THIS ASSOCIATED PRESS ARTIC. I WOULD POST IT HERE.
AND THEY DO NOT WANT GOD BLESS AMERICA IN SCHOOL AND 10 COMANMENT I PUBLIC BUILDING AND THEY TALK ABOUT FLIP FLOPS

retchief88
01-04-2005, 06:45 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by becsflowers:
I have a lot of respect for Jesse Ventura.[/QUOT

His book is very interesting

DLinn
01-04-2005, 07:01 PM
Our government has huge balls bec. Another thing that happened during the last election that got under my skin was that the Non-profit organizations, churches being number one on "my" list, stood up and supported the President and campaigned for him from the pulpit specifically which is completely against seperation of church and state and against the Non-profit charter which excludes them from paying taxes. Then in turn seperation of church and state causes the Ten Commandments to be lost from public buildings. It is a very sad and vicious circle.

Kim Yonkee
01-04-2005, 07:21 PM
Why do you think this administration wants to "remove God from public buildings & schools?"

President Bush has ALWAYS supported school prayer. The Bush administration just filed a brief with the Supreme Court in a current case, "encouraging" the Supremes to allow the display of the Ten Commandments in public buildings.

Your taxes are a tithe... get it?

Prepare to surrender your possessions and don your dress-up thong. The Moonie group marriage is surely a comin' next!

James DeVito
01-05-2005, 10:38 AM
This contry was founded by people who knew the effect of the church`s attempt to control government. If we continue allowing more religious involement in our government, it will surely be its downfall.

becsflowers
01-05-2005, 11:03 AM
O M G...... http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/eek.gif
Moonies.
Ya just HAD to get me goin', didn't ya?
And I suppose the "mass wedding" ceremony will take place at.......

WALMART ? ? ?!!!!!