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Jan Ridenour
11-11-2003, 10:25 AM
24 Rules For Being A Good Republican

1) Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you are millionaire conservative radio jock, which makes it an "illness" and needs our prayers for
"recovery."

2) You have to believe that those rivileged from birth achieve success all on their own.

3) You have to be against government programs, but expect your Social Security checks on time.

4) You have to believe that government should stay out of people's private lives but it needs to punish anyone caught
having sex with the "wrong" gender.

5) You have to believe that pollution is ok, so long as it makes a profit.

6) You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

7) You have to believe that only your own teenagers are still virgins.

8) You have to believe that a woman cannot be trusted with decisions about her own body, but that large multi-national
corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind with no regulation whatsoever.

9) You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, and that Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.

10) You hate the ALCU for representing convicted felons, but they owed it to the country to bail out Oliver North.

11) You have to believe that it was wise to allow Ken Starr to spend $50 million dollars to attack Clinton because no other U.S. presidents have ever been unfaithful
to their wives.

12) You have to believe that group sex is a degenerate sin that can only be purged by running for governor of California as a Republican.

13) You have to believe it is wise to keep condoms out of schools, because we all know if teenagers don't have condoms they won't have sex.

14) You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

15) You have to believe that government medicare is wrong and that HMOs and insurance companies only have your best
interests at heart.

16) You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding proportionate to the
resulting death rate and that the public doesn't need to be educated about it, because if we just ignore it, it will go away.

17) You have to believe that biology teachers are corrupting the morals of 6th graders if they teach them the basics of
human sexuality, but the Bible, which is full of sex and violence, is just good reading.

18) You have to believe that atheism is a religion but that creationism is just good science.

19) You have to believe that Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good
guy when Cheney was doing business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

20) You have to believe that the lumber from the last one percent of old growth U.S. forests is well worth the destruction
of those forests and the extinction of the several species of plants and animals therein.

21) You believe that the public has "a right to know" about the adulterous affairs of Democrats, while those of Republicans
are a "private matter".

22) You have to believe that the public has a right to know what the government is doing but that Bush was right to censor
those 28 pages from the Congressional 9/11 report because you just can't handle the truth.


23) You have to believe that Aid to Mothers with Dependent children is wasteful, but giving tax breaks to companies moving American jobs overseas is just what government is for.

24) You have to believe that trade with Cuba is wrong because it is communist, but trading with China and Vietnam is just
dandy.


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This was emailed to me - enjoy

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 11:00 AM
Jan, that was funny and I even agree with some of it. Since Kim ribbed me about the cut and paste thing, I was a little hesitant to post this "JOKE" sent to me by one of my friends in Washington that I might add worked under the Clinton administration. Here it is:

How to be a Good Democrat


Virtually anyone can be a Democrat... Just simply quit thinking and vote that way! But if you want to be a GOOD Democrat, there are some prerequisites you must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate:

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs.

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the militaries, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain other parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinmen are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

EurekaRebel
11-11-2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by ArkansawHillbillys:
You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain other parts of the Constitution.

You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House.

You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.


My favorites are highlighted above, but
I really like this last one! I think it was written especially for Eureka Springs and the 3-4 Drag Queen parades we have here every year.

EurekaRebel
11-11-2003, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by Jan Ridenour:



You have to believe that government should stay out of people's private lives but it needs to punish anyone caught
having sex with the "wrong" gender.

You have to believe in prayer in schools, as long as you don't pray to Allah or Buddha.

You have to believe that you love Jesus and Jesus loves you, and that Jesus shares your hatred of AIDS victims, homosexuals, and Hillary Clinton.

You have to believe that group sex is a degenerate sin.

You have to believe that the ACLU is bad because they defend the Constitution, while the NRA is good because they defend the Constitution.

You have to believe the AIDS virus is not important enough to deserve federal funding.



Again my favorites are highlighted above.

If this two of a kind sexual partners was against the law, there would be a lot less AIDS and it would need no federal funding.
Maybe there would even be NO AIDS if homosexuality was a crime.

And you liberals think homosexuals were still "born" that way! Gimme a break. You CHOSE
that way of life, just like a woman CHOOSES to have an abortion. And both of you must LIVE WITH the consequences of those choices.

If it's AIDS or if it's a lifetime of regret over an abortion, YOU still made the CHOICE.
Live with it.

Lany Ballance
11-11-2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:
If it's AIDS or if it's a lifetime of regret over an abortion, YOU still made the CHOICE.
Live with it.

Just an observation. What if it's a child who was born with AIDS or got it from a transfusion? What if it's a little 12-year-old girl who was forcibly raped by her brother and carries a teras that threatens her life? It's not always a choice. Variables seem to present themselves no matter how cut-and-dried an issue may appear on the surface. Is there no flexibility in your thought process that allows for such situational exceptions?

S. Jones
11-11-2003, 11:42 AM
"If it's AIDS or if it's a lifetime of regret over an abortion, YOU still made the CHOICE.
Live with it."

I gyess the same thing could be said about cancer from cigs, liver disease from beer, or being fat from eating fried crap..

Kim you forgot the #1 stock defense of Reps..

Blame Clinton.

EurekaRebel
11-11-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by Lany Ballance:
Is there no flexibility in your thought process that allows for such situational exceptions?

Yes, indeed, there is flexibility in my thought process for certain situations. The examples you mentioned deserve special attention and are not part of the CHOICE I mentioned. I am talking about adults who CHOOSE to be gay or who CHOOSE to have an abortion. There are exceptions to every situation.

S. Jones
11-11-2003, 12:11 PM
I wonder if more deaths a year are caused by Aids or McDonalds?

Lany Ballance
11-11-2003, 12:12 PM
So, ER, if AIDS research phases out due to lack of federal funding and abortions are outlawed, these poor unfortunate exceptions mentioned above are simply SOL?

Jan Ridenour
11-11-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:
Yes, indeed, there is flexibility in my thought process for certain situations. There are exceptions to every situation.

ER, I applaud you for making this bulletin board one of your examples of flexibility in certain situations. Since the net is a numbers game, value is determined by traffic, and by you CHOOSING to post here on the gay owned, gay operated board it shows you do have the concept of choice.
Every time you log on to just read and every time you post it increases the traffic pattern and gives more value to this site. Keep that input coming!

And BTW, I do agree that those darn gays shouldn't be parading around the streets 3-4 times a year..I don't think they should be on the streets any more than the non-gays. I guess the non-gays just choose to be there more. Oh well, it is about choice.

The life I chose includes lots of work, kids, laundry, meals, aging parents, and healthcare choices...what did you choose?

Have a lovely un-gay day!

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 01:14 PM
Not saying that it is so, but I am curious about something.
Just how is that you know that Jesus was not gay?
In todays society, he would certainly fit the profile. Never married, never mentioned dating, a momma's boy, spent most of his time in the presence of young men.
I don't recall him ever talking about sex. Only love. There were people who thought the poor lepers got what they deserved in that day and age. Thankfully, he thought they deserved to be well and healed.
Just how do you really know Jesus was not gay?

Kim Yonkee
11-11-2003, 01:23 PM
C'mon. Admit it. We wuz robbed.

Sure, go to the Gay Recruitment table on Career Day. Look at the posters. Listen to the seductive description of the glamorous, exotic gay lifestyle. How many of us signed on because of these blandishments?

Come to find out, what it's ACTUALLY like is that scene in Private Benjamin when Goldie Hawn says, "Excuse me. I think I'm in the wrong Army. I signed up for the one with the yachts."

America, beware! The next time you see a gay recruiter on your front porch with an earnest expression and a copy of The Advocate under his arm, don't let him get even a toe inside your door.

Family Values with Moral Fiber ... it's not just for breakfast any more!

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 01:26 PM
Oh, and do you think he would have been considered "liberal" or "conservative"?

Ray Dilfield
11-11-2003, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:
And you liberals think homosexuals were still "born" that way! Gimme a break. You CHOSE that way of life

Just out of curiosity, can you pinpoint the exact moment in your own development when you "chose" to be straight?

EurekaRebel
11-11-2003, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
Just how is that you know that Jesus was not gay?
In todays society, he would certainly fit the profile. Never married, never mentioned dating, a momma's boy, spent most of his time in the presence of young men.

Just how do you really know Jesus was not gay?

Good Grief, how did you possible come to THAT conclusion? Is that what homosexuals are
using to uphold their gayness? Personally I think God created Adam and EVE, just like the Bible said he did. He must have had an idea in mind there that male and female belonged together. Otherwise he would have created Adam and Steve.

You liberals are really something. You stoop so low as to suggest that Jesus Christ was GAY. I have truly heard it all.

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Lany Ballance
11-11-2003, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
Just how do you really know Jesus was not gay?

A very thought-provoking question, Becky, for those who are up to the challenge! As for your follow-up question, I would venture to guess "liberal". The "conservatives" of his time didn't think much of him, either. Murdered him, if I recall correctly. My, how times have changed. http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/wink.gif http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

S. Jones
11-11-2003, 02:25 PM
If Jesus walked into any of the money churches today speaking love and how the love of money is the root of all evil he would at least be jailed.

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 02:31 PM
ER. I haven't come to that conclusion. It has nothing to do with gays anybody. Simply a question.
How do you know? Would you still believe if you found out that he were? Would you still feel born again?
Rather than totally dismiss it. Think about it. How would you feel?
As I understand it, God was lonely so he made MAN in his image. Why didn't he start with a woman? Only until Adam became lonely did he make Eve.

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Old Thing
11-11-2003, 02:48 PM
ER, AH, if you don't like gays, don't be one. That's where choice comes in.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by Old Thing:
ER, AH, if you don't like gays, don't be one. That's where choice comes in.

Old Thang, Would you mind cutting and pasting any post where I said I didn't like gays? I probably have more gay friends than you do. I may be wrong, but since I don't know you I guess that's as good a guess as you implying I don't like gays. However, I will admit I don't think homosexuality is the way God meant for things to be as evident by my past posts. If I dumped all my friends in Eureka that were gay I would have half as many friends. I know for fact that some of my gay friends don't like the fact that I am straight not only by choice, but also because of my religious and moral beliefs. They don't seem to have a problem with my morals and religious beliefs though. If they want to be gay that is between them and God. (OOOps, I said the God word. Guess I'm gonna get accused of preaching again!) Doesn't mean they dump on me or don't like me as a person....just means they know they will never have sex with me, nor live to see the day that I willingly march in a gay parade with them. LOL So before you join the rest that "read" things into the post that are not there, you might consider knowing the "facts" first. And for the record, I see nothing in History or the Bible that implys that Jesus was gay. But I won't get into the religious aspects about the scriptures and homosexuality again, for obvious reasons. Though I really doubt many people will ever accept or believe the "theory" that Jesus was gay. Especially jsut because he was such a nice and gentle person. If I would have said about someone in Eureka, what Becky Davis posted about Jesus I would have been raked over the coals in here. .....and I quote,

"In todays society, he would certainly fit the profile. Never married, never mentioned dating, a momma's boy, spent most of his time in the presence of young men.
I don't recall him ever talking about sex. Only love. There were people who thought the poor lepers got what they deserved in that day and age."

Becky, I'm glad you get to stand before God some day to "splain" that one. And you will. May God Have Mercy On Your Soul!

Now, ya'll tell me...is that the new definition of a homosexual? None of my friends can be described fully that way. Would all the Gay's in here that feel this is a proper description of them, please post in here and say so? I'll poll my gay neighbors and ask them if that is how they would describe themselves, then I'll let you know how they respond. In the meantime, HAVE A GREAT DAY!

EurekaRebel
11-11-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Old Thing:
ER, AH, if you don't like gays, don't be one. That's where choice comes in.

You don't EVER have to worry about me being GAY.

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gayle
11-11-2003, 04:14 PM
I'm currently reading a fascinating book on the Cathars, a religious movement that flourished in medeival times until they were wiped out by the church of rome (read that...today's "christian" church). The cathars thought of themselves as "good christians" who followed the word of Christ, forsaked materialism, and were very liberal minded. They elevated women to high stations, such as bishops, and accepted all ways of life. Your spiritual development was your own to manage, in the ways you saw fit to manage it, and in your own time. The longer it took you to live the life of "Christ", the longer you would be an earth bound spirit, returning time and time again until you "got it right". Hell, to the Cathars, was here on earth and was not used as a threat to force "good behavior". This of course was a HUGE threat to the Roman church and early Popes who were obsessed with power and money. They couldn't have people thinking for themselves, and giving up a materialistic way of life....so they hunted the cathars down and burned them alive at the stake. The christian religion we have been left with today is the result.
My point? Folks like ER and AH would have felt quite at home in medeival times, chasing down fornicators and homosexuals and peace loving folk such as the Cathars, and burning them all at the stake. Instead, these two have Geekfest and the "power" of their own festering, ugly words. Call me a heretic but, if this is what it takes to be a "good christian" I think I'll pass.
By the way AH...what exactly is your stance on fornication and "coveting another's wife?" just curious.

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 04:26 PM
As I said, it is a question to ponder. It is not a theory of anyones. I don't think there is anything in the Bible to implicate that Jesus was gay, unless it would be the things I mentioned. However, on the other foot, neither is there anything to implicate he was straight.
Myself, If I found out today that Jesus was gay, it would not make one bit of difference to me. I would still believe his teachings. I would still believe in him. It just goes to show how unimportant sex really is in the long run.
Would you?

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Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 04:28 PM
By the way Gayle, what is the name of the book?

gayle
11-11-2003, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
By the way Gayle, what is the name of the book?


The book is called "The Perfect Heresy, the revolutionary life and death of the medieval cathars." By Stephen O'Shea. I just started it and am only about 3 chapters in, but have read other books on the subject because I find it enlightening. This one is a fairly easy read for those new to the subject.

arjay
11-11-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by gayle:
Folks like ER and AH would have felt quite at home in medeival times, chasing down fornicators and homosexuals and peace loving folk such as the Cathars, and burning them all at the stake. Instead, these two have Geekfest and the "power" of their own festering, ugly words.

gayle,
can we all agree to disagree without resorting to this level of hyperbole?

Jan Ridenour
11-11-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
Just how is that you know that Jesus was not gay?


Hmmmm. Is that why all the prayers end with
"Ahhhh Men" ??? http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/smile.gif

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 05:30 PM
Very good. Spoken like a true smart ass. Are you sure you are not really Kim? http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
As I said, it is a question to ponder. It is not a theory of anyones. I don't think there is anything in the Bible to implicate that Jesus was gay, unless it would be the things I mentioned. However, on the other foot, neither is there anything to implicate he was straight.
Myself, If I found out today that Jesus was gay, it would not make one bit of difference to me. I would still believe his teachings. I would still believe in him. It just goes to show how unimportant sex really is in the long run.
Would you?

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Becky, if hypothetically Jesus the Son, or God the Father, or the Holy Ghoust for that matter were gay, I would feel the same exact way you do. Show me any perfect person who is without sin. This includes the Hillbilly! However, I can't quite grasp God, or Jesus being gay. If the Bible, which many consider to be the inherent word of God, said that homosexuality was okay, or the way it was meant to be, etc....I would not have a problem with it.

Gayle, as far as your question on coveting another man's wife, or fornification....I would like to know how you define these things. From my moral and religious standpoint, it is conduct that is wrong and not acceptable to God. Of course it would be easier to just read the scriptures if you really wanted to know where God stands on that issue. A man who lusts after a woman commits adultry in the eyes of the Lord!

The answer to your next question: YES! Yes! But I'm not perfect either and have never professed to be. But it is still wrong.

Hermit of Hogscald
11-11-2003, 07:05 PM
"A man who lusts after a woman commits adultry in the eyes of the Lord!"

Oh God, I'm doomed 10,000 times over! Good thing the same isn't true in my wife's eyes, my nickname would be Stumpie.

James DeVito
11-11-2003, 07:13 PM
Actually Jesus was married to Mary Magdeline.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by James DeVito:
Actually Jesus was married to Mary Magdeline.

LMAO.......James, you've been watching too much television! Would you mind showing me real "PROOF"! LOL What some people won't say to get a giggle out of us~ LMAO

James DeVito
11-11-2003, 09:11 PM
To think Jesus ,who was a rabbi, was not married is contrary to the customs of the time. Mary was always refered to first among the women of the bible. She was first to experience the resurrected Christ and was the only one with enough hutzpah not to abandon Him as he was crucified. Your inability to accept something that personifies the mankind of Christ is something you should look into.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by James DeVito:
To think Jesus ,who was a rabbi, was not married is contrary to the customs of the time. Mary was always refered to first among the women of the bible. She was first to experience the resurrected Christ and was the only one with enough hutzpah not to abandon Him as he was crucified. Your inability to accept something that personifies the mankind of Christ is something you should look into.

James, I've studied theology for years. I don't think you can do much in the way of educating me on that subject. Maybe you could teach me how to make a good pizza or pasta, but don't quit you day job to start preaching! LOL

PMilam
11-11-2003, 09:34 PM
"don't quit you day job to start preaching!"
seems to be workng for you... LOL

Don't assume that you are the only one that has "studied theology for years".
We can never know it all..
we can all learn..
if we are willing to hear anything different than what we've always heard... if we are willing to be open minded.

Cris Dunnam
11-11-2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by ArkansawHillbillys:
LMAO.......James, you've been watching too much television! Would you mind showing me real "PROOF"! LOL What some people won't say to get a giggle out of us~ LMAO



Maybe James just has "faith" that this is the truth. That seems to be proof enough for some as to other theological/historical issues at hand.

Becky Davis
11-11-2003, 09:52 PM
http://www.bibleforums.org/forum/showthread/t-9850.html

Lany Ballance
11-11-2003, 09:52 PM
Originally posted by PMilam:
[BWe can never know it all..
we can all learn.. [/B]

Couldn't have said it better. If we're learnin' we're growin'. Isn't that why we're here?

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James DeVito
11-11-2003, 10:03 PM
AH, you may have studied theology for years but did you learn anything? Who was married at the Wedding at Canaa?

Lany Ballance
11-11-2003, 10:03 PM
Hm. Posted at the same time as you, Becky.

So -- they decided not to talk about it any more, huh? Hm.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by James DeVito:
AH, you may have studied theology for years but did you learn anything? Who was married at the Wedding at Canaa?

LoL James..it sure wasn't Jesus, was it? He was at pizza hut at the time. James, if you want to go tit for tat with me over the Bible, religion, theology, let me know and I'll make special arrangements to accomplish this. Otherwise, I'm not going to play your little game! It doesn't matter what I say, I already know you are smarter than me. No doubt!

James DeVito
11-11-2003, 10:13 PM
I`ve never professed to be smarter than anyone

gayle
11-11-2003, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by ArkansawHillbillys:
LoL James..it sure wasn't Jesus, was it? He was at pizza hut at the time. James, if you want to go tit for tat with me over the Bible, religion, theology, let me know and I'll make special arrangements to accomplish this. Otherwise, I'm not going to play your little game! It doesn't matter what I say, I already know you are smarter than me. No doubt!




That's smart AH....never play a game you're prolly never going to win anyways. if you have indeed studied theology (that does not mean studying just the bible by the way) then you would know that the likelihood of Jesus being married far outweighs the likelihood of his not being married. As a matter of fact, for him not to have been married would have been cause for comment in that time. The matter of his wedded state in fact was only an issue when the roman church decided that it's clergy should not be allowed to be married so as to maintain all properties in the churches hands. Their sad excuse as to why preists should not be married??? You guessed it..."Our Lord was not married". If you have indeed studied theology and perhaps the early years of the church you would know that the early popes were not only married, but also had mistresses.

I'll give you time to research this before you cut and paste your reply.


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James DeVito
11-11-2003, 10:36 PM
Reading the bible and knowing it was written by man and translated by many men is something to keep in mind. If we think there are chauvinists today, imagine what they were like thousands of years ago.
The wedding at Canaa was most likely the celebration of the union of Christ and Mary. Other parts of the bible, especially the old testament, list names of those who begat etc, etc, etc, yet the names of the bridegroom and bride are conspicuously absent. Why was Mary, His mother, so adamant that Jesus perform his first "miracle" if He did not have a responsibility to the event? Changing water to wine! Boy, could I improve my bottom line at the restaurant.
Probably the way things went down was because Christ, being the humble guy that He was, underestimated the crowd. The wine for the masses had run out and He had to break into His stash of the good stuff that He had been saving for later, when He would get down with His disciples. This is the middle east, its hot! Where do you keep good wine so it won`t get too hot? The only cool place, down the well. Water to wine...miracle?...who cares? Keep an open mind. It shouldn`t change anything about what He was trying to say.

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ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by PMilam:
"don't quit you day job to start preaching!"
seems to be workng for you... LOL

Don't assume that you are the only one that has "studied theology for years".
We can never know it all..
we can all learn..
if we are willing to hear anything different than what we've always heard... if we are willing to be open minded.

Pat I don't "ASS U ME" anything. And I don't profess to know it all on that or any subject. I agree with what you are saying here.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Cris Dunnam:
Maybe James just has "faith" that this is the truth. That seems to be proof enough for some as to other theological/historical issues at hand.

And Cris, if that is the case, and he feels comfortable with it...then that's great I guess! However, having faith that something is the way you think or want it to be, doesn't neccessarily make it true or fact. In today's world we often step out on "faith" and that's what gives us the courage and strength to make the step toward our goals. I think "faith" is great, but still I wouldn't want to see someone disappointed becasue they base that faith (unknowingly) on a lie, theory, or a desire for something to be what it really isn't. If it was that easy, I would just start having "faith" that about $10,000,000 was coming my way.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 11:13 PM
James, the Bible does not say who got married but the scriptures are clear that it wasn't Jesus if you will just study it a little further. I think I have a translator somewhere where this can be studied in about every "version" of the Bible that is out there. I have never seen any version in my lifetime that gave any indication that Jesus got married. Are there other scriptures that make you feel this way?

John2.1~4 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. 2Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. 3And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."
4Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come."

As you see in verse2 it says Jesus and his disciples were "invited" to the wedding. Hmm...why would you have to be invited to your own wedding? This scripture is primarily showing miracles that Jesus did and has nothing to do with him getting married. John2~11 This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.

And then after the wedding.. John2~12 After this He went down to Capernaum, He, His mother, His brothers, and His disciples; and they did not stay there many days.

Now, I'm not trying to be a smart alec here, but take any version of the bible, consult with any leading theologin, and they will point out that if Jesus had just gotten married, why then did he not take His "bride" with him. In studying theology and the Bible, I learned a long time ago to take things in context. There are few stand alone scriptures. "Jesus Wept" is the shortest scripture, in the bible and one of the extremely rare stand alone scriptures. However, there is soon to be a Television Special on one of the leading Networks that is designed to deal with this issue in support of your thoughts. It will be interesting to see if it is factual, opinionated, or just one big joke.

ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 11:28 PM
Now For The Rest Of The Story....

II. ABC News is breaking a major conditioning program designed to convince the world to believe the "Merovingian Blood Line" lie by which Antichrist will convince the Jews he is their Messiah! We consider this to be a most important development -- and even portent -- in the staging of Antichrist! Let us review the story:
NEWS BRIEF: "US TV set for 'Jesus wife' storm", BBC News, November 1, 2003. Carried on Daily News Updates, 11/1/03.

"A leading US TV news reporter has said her network is taking a risk with a news special which asks whether Jesus Christ had a wife ... The programme is partly based on the best-selling novel The Da Vinci Code ... The book alleges Mary Magdalene - a biblical figure widely thought to have been a prostitute - was actually Jesus's wife ... This story was supposed to have been kept alive by a secret society that included the medieval painter and inventor Leonardo Da Vinci."

This story is well-known in occult secret societies as the "Merovingian Bloodline" and is the planned method by which Antichrist will deceive the Jewish people that he is their Messiah. The fact that this formerly super-secret story is now being publicised by a major American TV station must mean that the time has arrived for hundreds of millions of people the world over to be exposed to this lie. Conditioning, Conditioning, Conditioning, and more Conditioning.

How does the "Merovingian Bloodline" story fit in with the plan to deceive the Jews that Antichrist is their long-awaited Messiah? Matthew, Chapter 1 tells us the story. This chapter presents Jesus' physical lineage directly back to King David simply because God foretold that the true Messiah would come from David's line.

Let us now briefly educate you into how this ABC News show fits perfectly into the "Merovingian Bloodline". Researchers into the New World Order Plan have recognized that the global plan to produce Antichrist runs through a bloodline in Europe [Germany and France] under a Merovingian descendent, specifically through a Fifth-Century King, by the name of Merovee. He worshipped the bear in the form of the Roman Diana, who is also known as the Greek Artemis, the "virgin-mother goddess" of the wooded hunt and the moon, usually associated with the Unicorn. Merle's son, Childeric I, practiced witchcraft, while his grandson, Clovis I, converted to Roman Catholicism, thus tying in both sides in this grand Illuminist plan -- the Illuminati and Roman Catholicism.

However, the most important part of the Merovingian lineage is that they claimed direct descendancy through Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene! How is this possible, you say? Occult legend states that Jesus really did not die on the cross, but only fainted; later, his disciples helped him escape the tomb. Jesus then supposedly went into the village, where he secretly lived and married Mary the Magdelene, and her sister, Martha. From this wedlock came children, to whom the Merovingian Bloodline is supposedly traced.

After the destruction of the Temple and of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., this legendary "Mary" escaped with her children in tow, relocating in France, where they eventually married into the royal Frankish family. Through the many centuries since then, descendants of the Merovingians have secretly been able to place their offspring upon the thrones of Europe through intermarriage.

This lie is one of the greatest frauds perpetrated on mankind, but it will be believed. The Jewish Talmud and Cabala also state that Jesus did not die, but "swooned", then escaped the tomb with the aid of his disciples, and married Mary Magdelene. According to the Talmud, children came from this marriage. Those royalty of Europe can "prove" their direct lineage to Jesus Christ through the use of this lie.

Judaism today is primed to believe this lie.

This secret society lie has been kept exceedingly secret for centuries, talked about only within occult literature. The very fact that it is now going to be presented to the hundreds of millions of potential viewers of ABC as "News" -- implying "fact" -- is huge! It implies that the appearance of Antichrist may be sooner rather than later.

Oh, yes, just as the book, "The Antichrist and A Cup of Tea", states, Prince Charles is in the Merovingian Blood Line - NEWS1678. We read: "... the Merovingians, rather than being actual descendants of Judah and David, are really descendants of Dan ... may produce the great usurper, Antichrist." [P. 75-76]

Since this subject is so important, we offer the following previously written Cutting Edge Articles on the Merovingian Bloodline. Notice that the key figure, King Dagobert, is consistently mentioned in these articles.

* "Outcome Based Apostasy: The True Church - http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1506ch1.html



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ArkansawHillbillys
11-11-2003, 11:39 PM
Oh and Gayle!!!!!!!! Bless your heart! I will pray for you! You sincerely are in my prayers as is everyone.

jf501
11-12-2003, 05:11 AM
I'll leave the bible thumping to everyone else. I will make an attemped to straighten out the AIDS issue.

Oh BTW Republicans can get aids too!


Rebels said;
"If it's AIDS or if it's a lifetime of regret over an abortion, YOU still made the CHOICE.
Live with it".


Aids is not a gay disease anymore! Aids victims range from; (not necessarily in this order)

1. Babies born to infected drug using mothers

2. Injection drug users; Male or female!

3. People (notice I said people) involved in multiple person relationships, NOT practicing SAFE SEX.

4. Our young uneducated people (0-25yrs) that think HIV/AIDS is a not as bad as it used to be due to lack of education.

WE NEED better EDUCATION in our SCHOOLS!

5. Blood transfusions

I borrowed the following from our website;

Aids 101
The following information is taken from the most recent American Red Cross HIV/AIDS Facts book:

HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus)
is the virus that causes AIDS. HIV weakens several body systems and destroys the body's immune system, making it easier for life-threatening opportunistic infections to invade the body.

AIDS (Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome) is a result of HIV infection that makes the immune system less able to fight infection.

You can NOT get HIV or AIDS by:

* Casual kissing on the cheek
* Shaking hands with an infected person
* Sharing office space with an infected person
* Breathing the same air as an infected person
* Using the same dishes as an infected person
* Using the same bathroom as an infected person

There are hundreds of other casual contact ways that you can NOT get HIV or AIDS
How does a person get HIV?

Through sharing needles with someone who has the virus; through having sex (vaginal, oral, or anal) with someone who has the virus; or a baby can become exposed from its infected mother during pregnancy, delivery, or through breastfeeding.
What body fluids carry HIV?

A person who has HIV is able to spread it to others through the following body fluids: blood, semen, vaginal fluid, and breast milk. In order to contract it, one of these fluids must come in contact with another persons' body fluid.
How is HIV not transmitted?

You can NOT get HIV or AIDS through every day casual contact.
How do I prevent becoming infected with HIV?

Postpone having sex (abstinence is the only 100% safe and effective way to avoid the risk of becoming infected with HIV). If you do have sexual intercourse, be sure to use a latex condom correctly, every time. Avoid sharing needles if you inject drugs. Do not engage in activities that involve exchange of blood, semen, or vaginal fluid. Avoid using drugs or alcohol - these can impair your judgment.
How do they test blood to find out if a person has HIV?

A blood test is the only way to find out if you are infected with HIV. Most blood today is tested for HIV using the following procedure: first, blood is tested with ELISA (or EIA), which stands for Enzyme-Linked Immunosorbent Assay. This screening test looks for antibodies to HIV in the blood. If the test detects HIV antibodies, the ELISA is repeated. If the second ELISA also reacts to antibodies, the blood is then tested using a different test, the Western Blot of IFA, to confirm the screening test result. The Western Blot and IFA (Indirect Immunofluorescence Assay) are confirmatory tests most commonly used today. Following this procedure helps make a positive test result nearly 100 percent accurate.
What is an Antibody?

A substance in the blood that forms when disease agents such as viruses invade the body. Antibodies usually defend the body against invading disease agents, but the HIV antibody gives no such protection.
Where can I get tested for HIV?

Free, confidential testing is available by calling the OARS office (870) 423-4462 or by calling Sherri Plumlee at our local health department (870) 423-2923.
What if I am HIV positive?

OARS provides a free clinic for persons who are HIV positive or have been diagnosed with AIDS. Call to make an appointment.

http://www.eurekaspringsonline.com/ozarksaids/index.html





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Cris Dunnam
11-12-2003, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by ArkansawHillbillys:
And Cris, if that is the case, and he feels comfortable with it...then that's great I guess! However, having faith that something is the way you think or want it to be, doesn't neccessarily make it true or fact.

From your keyboard to God's ears . . .

Becky Davis
11-12-2003, 07:45 AM
John, do you know if they have pinpointed the origin of AIDS?
I heard a few years back that it was through some monkeys in Africa? It had an origin somewhere. Don't you think AIDS has been around for a lot longer than we think? Like even as early as the sixties or seventies?
Actually the first cases in question I heard about were about IV users who shared needles. Quite awhile before the gay epidemic.
I have also heard of a few innocent people getting AIDS from the dental office, shared razors, shared toothbrushes.

Another Texan
11-12-2003, 07:57 AM
"a few innocent people", it may not have been intentional but the use of the word "innocent" would imply that those who contracted it by other means are some how guilty of something.

Becky Davis
11-12-2003, 08:03 AM
Another Texan..You are absolutely correct. I apologize for the word innocent. Unsuspecting would have been more appropriate.

gayle
11-12-2003, 08:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ArkansawHillbillys:
[B]Now For The Rest Of The Story....

II. ABC News is breaking a major conditioning program designed to convince the world to believe the "Merovingian Blood Line" lie by which Antichrist will convince the Jews he is their Messiah! We consider this to be a most important development -- and even portent -- in the staging of Antichrist! Let us review the story:
NEWS BRIEF: "US TV set for 'Jesus wife' storm", BBC News, November 1, 2003. Carried on Daily News Updates, 11/1/03.

I gave you time to research and then copy and paste your reply and you come up with this drabble from a fundementalist website???? Good God man....what next? Will you be quoting Fred Phelps?????


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jf501
11-12-2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
John, do you know if they have pinpointed the origin of AIDS?
I heard a few years back that it was through some monkeys in Africa? It had an origin somewhere. Don't you think AIDS has been around for a lot longer than we think? Like even as early as the sixties or seventies?
Actually the first cases in question I heard about were about IV users who shared needles. Quite awhile before the gay epidemic.
I have also heard of a few innocent people getting AIDS from the dental office, shared razors, shared toothbrushes.

Becky, I am not absolutely positive of the original origin, in the early days they said it was transmitted from monkeys, then the largest numbers of infected people were in Africa, then Europe and on to the USA.

Even then you could be right, the spread of the disease was by all the reasons I listed in my earlier post (not just by GAY people)it was just tagged the "GAY people disease" (have to blame it on someone I guess).

I suspect poorer nations have had and continue to have the worst problems with it due to lack of medical and educational attention.

I will ask Dr. Horton our staff M.D. and Carol at our next board meeting which is next Monday night. The clinical staff is much more qualified then me to answer that. You can email from our website and probably get it quicker then I can if you would like.

As it is stated in our aids 101, anytime body fluids (those mentioned in my earlier post) are exchanged there is a chance of contracting the disease, so if the dentist is not sterilizing the equipment as they are supposed to you could be at risk. Anytime Blood is of an issue you could be at risk.

Yes shared razors and toothbrushes can cause a risk also if they have been contaminated (blood) by an infected person.

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EurekaRebel
11-12-2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
John, do you know if they have pinpointed the origin of AIDS?

I heard a few years back that it was through some monkeys in Africa?

I think it all got started when those in Africa started having SEX with those monkey's.

jf501
11-13-2003, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:
I think it all got started when those in Africa started having SEX with those monkey's.

Monkey was also a meat in the diet of the bushman in the Congo, maybe they got it by eating them.

I come from Kansas and am a big KU fan, we have a saying for those K-State fans, " where men are men and sheep are nervous"


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gayle
11-13-2003, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:
I think it all got started when those in Africa started having SEX with those monkey's.

what a horrid little mind you have....and that you enjoy showing it off is scary.

EurekaRebel
11-13-2003, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by gayle:
what a horrid little mind you have....and that you enjoy showing it off is scary.


Thank you.

Becky Davis
11-13-2003, 09:31 AM
ER, You are always the cheerleading squad for AH. Ever notice how even he is silent after your posts? That ought to tell you something.
I'll bet you have a few friends that you don't even know are gay. Would you drop them like a hot potato if you knew?
For the life of me, I can't understand why you want to and continue to post on this board that you know is owned by gay people?
Is it an obsession? Are you drawn like a magnet?

EurekaRebel
11-13-2003, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Becky Davis:
Is it an obsession? Are you drawn like a magnet?

Yes, it must be an obsession. What I really like is to get you people going and see how you all stand up for the gays. It's a game for me, can't you see? My favorite player is Gay Gayle who refuses to ADMIT she IS one..

And, yes, I DO have a friend or two who is gay, but they don't make a public spectacle
of themselves and their partner in front of me and that is why they are my friends. I respect them and they respect me. And yes, they KNOW how I feel about their sexual orientation and respect my right to feel that way. And I always refer to them as "queers" and it doesn't bother them a bit!

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oldwizard
11-13-2003, 11:12 AM
ER,

If your friends don't mind when you call them queers are we then to understand as well that you do not mind when they call you a bigot?

big-ot n someone obstinately and intolerantly devoted to his/her own beliefs, creed or party. big-ot-ed adj. big-ot-ry n.

Just wondering how far your "fairness" in labeling goes?


Glenn Strange

EurekaRebel
11-13-2003, 11:18 AM
Originally posted by oldwizard:


If your friends don't mind when you call them queers are we then to understand as well that you do not mind when they call you a bigot?

Just wondering how far your "fairness" in labeling goes?



Glenn,

I certainly don't mind my queer friends calling me a bigot, which I guess I am. I don't understand or accept their way of life, but at least MY queer friends have the good sense NOT to invoke their lifestyle on others in a public display. They do not participate in Diversity Weekend and parade around in "drag costume" but rather keep their private lives private. That must be why these particular queers are my frinds.


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gayle
11-13-2003, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by EurekaRebel:


I certainly don't mind my queer friends calling me a bigot, which I guess I am. I don't understand or accept their way of life, but at least MY queer friends have the good sense NOT to invoke their lifestyle on others in a public display. They do not participate in Diversity Weekend and parade around in "drag costume" but rather keep their private lives private. That must be why these particular queers are my frinds.


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I am highly in doubt that these so called "queer" friends of yours even exist. If they do exist, I truly hope they get help for their deeply repressed inner homophobia. No self respecting person, gay or straight, would associate themselves with someone who hates everything they stand for.
~today I'm not so gay Gayle, today I am thoroughly disgusted Gayle~

2100
11-15-2003, 09:04 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by EurekaRebel:

…but they don't make a public spectacle
of themselves…

Sometimes I wish you would afford us the same courtesy, but be who you must.