Bea say it isnt so?!

[Joe Zickmund]

The other day I invited a city employee to city hall to prove the validity about the judgements against Mayor Satori. During a social event, he over heard that the mayor had judgements totaling over $119,700 in past sales tax obligations. When we researched the data he was surprised and appalled to the accuracy of the debt obligations. However, during this reasearch, it was discovered that 3 additional judgements have been filed in June 2002. They are for, non-payment of sales tax, 10 of the 12 months in the year 2001. It appears that the mayor has only paid state sales tax in June and November of 2001. The CAPC records indicate that he reported revenue, subject to CAPC tax, and paid those taxes each month in 2001. 75% of those payments were late. Additionally, he didn't pay his December 2001 liability, to the CAPC, until March 2002? I remember many businesses that were pressured to pay more timely to a previous' years liability before an occupancy license was renewed for the following year? When are we going to realize that compliance to law is directly related to its enforcement? When an individual is provided the PRIVILEGE to maintain a livelihood through operating a business, certain relationships are established. To act as an agent for the state, by maintaining a fudiciary responsibility to collect and PAY collected revenue know as sales tax, is a requirement. Isn't avoiding payments of those monies and to use them to enhance one's cash flow, THEFT? The monies collected, for this purpose, are NEVER yours. Pure and simple! For those businesspeople that have complied to law, and are enraged over these circumstances, call John Tice. His phone number is (501) 682-7000. He is the assistant Commissioner of Revenue for the state of Arkansas. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!

[Larry Williams]

Joe,

hmmmm, I'm not so sure his gross sales are high enough to generate that kind of sales tax.

[This message has been edited by Larry Williams (edited 07-22-2002).]

[PMilam]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>During a social event, he over heard that the mayor had judgements totaling over $119,700 in past sales tax obligations. When we researched the data he was surprised and appalled to the accuracy of the
debt obligations.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you, Larry, sounds all wrong, even if it was over three years.

[BigBadBoy]

Of course that is too much. If you fail to file, the State gives you an average of everyone state wide. This just plain ole sucks. When you pay what you owe? The state will remove any lien. I've overpaid the state before. Try and getting your money back. Just try.

[CyberPsychDoc]

According to what I read on the other board a couple of months ago, when someone posted the actual summons(s) for people to see, that 119+thousand was for all ten years the mayor is derelict in paying his taxes. The ten years for which he can be held accountable. I guess they can only go back ten years. I'm sure someone over there probably knows where to find the copies posted that were put up before.

CPD

[Joe Zickmund]

I appreciate your comments to my thread. However, you have all missed the point. This individual has filed monthly reports to the CAPC for the entire year of 2001. These reports have documented the revenue stream for this business. Revenue has been generated, subject to sales tax, each month. Apparently, the state hasn't been provided documentation, or payment, for 10 of the 12 months of 2001. Consequently, judgements have been filed. Prior judgements have gone back to 1991!!!! So it is possible, if you get the CAPC documents, to determine the debt obligation that exists. That's what I find ironic. The paper trail will provide the truth. In the end Eureka Springs will not get their portion of the sales tax generated, and collected, by this business. Let us remember, leaders should set an example for us to follow. Citizens of Eureka Springs, what is the implication of this leader? Is he supporting a tax revolt? Help me understand the objectives? Knowing you haven't paid state sales tax for so long, since 1991, and tell us it must be in documents not opened yet? What are we to think? THIS SMELLS BADD!!!!!!!!!

[sweetness&light]

So what you are saying is that he has filled out, submitted reports and paid the capc tax, but hasn't sent in reports or paid the State tax?

[Joe Zickmund]

I respectfully request forgiveness in spelling your name wrong Beau.

[Kaye Miller]

Joe, if you tried that with your business or we tried it with ours, we too would be showing our "artistic" ability....on license plates.

It just seems to me no one cares. Maybe his not paying his taxes was UNINTENTIONAL???

We overpaid our State tax one month last year. The State of AR. caught the error and the money was refunded within 3 weeks.

By not paying his State taxes to the tune of ll9k for ten years, how much has Eureka Springs lost???

[This message has been edited by Kaye Miller (edited 07-22-2002).]

[seemstome]

joe,
please get a life,,,,business must not be
to good if u have time for this.....

[Joe Zickmund]

If you care, call John Tice!

[Joe Zickmund]

Seemstone, I have a life. I love Eureka Springs. She is being raped and you are watching. Sort of like the movie with Jodi Foster. Remember that movie?

[S. Jones]

Maybe you should just slap him around again Joe http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/wink.gif (yes I`m kidding)

[Joe Zickmund]

Steve, I reacted to a simple assault instigated by the Mayor. Knowing you, the response whould have been the same. LOL!!!

[Kaye Miller]

Mr. Zickmund has a life. Probably does more for ES in the limited time he has to offer than you do.

He also has the backbone to post under his own name.

[Joe Zickmund]

Steve, would you have hit him with a piece of limestone? I am looking forward to you and your lovely bride, the former Gina Galina, relocating back to the land of paradise. Music will again be enhanced with the collective skills of your partnership.

[RUSTICKBOB]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S. Jones:
Maybe you should just slap him around again Joe http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/wink.gif (yes I`m kidding)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey steve! Were is my computer!? Where are you? Just wanting it back, BOB NORMAN.

[oops]

sounds like joe is jealous of beau

[jf501]

I don't know what is worst for the economy Joe, hiring cash workers that don't pay taxes or cheating on Sales taxes. What do you think?

[jf501]

The below article was in today's Ar. Dem.

I have always said any advertising is good atvertising, but this can't be good for our already ailing economy can it?


Eureka Springs : Mayor’s permit revoked in ’00; tax bill mounts


BY KIRSTAN CONLEY ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE EUREKA SPRINGS — Mayor Beau Satori has been running his art gallery without a sales tax permit since Oct. 10, 2000, while the state pressures him to pay thousands in back taxes from the early and mid-1990s.
State sales tax officials wouldn’t disclose the reason Satori’s permit was revoked nearly two years ago. Arkansas confidentiality laws prohibit disclosure of competitive financial information. But the state can revoke sales tax permits for nonpayment of taxes.
The state has filed several liens against Satori’s business. Last month, the state filed liens saying Satori owed $95,793 in back taxes, according to five writs of execution filed in the Carroll County circuit clerk’s office June 25. When a lien is executed, a county sheriff can seize and auction property unless the business owner pays the back taxes immediately, said John Theis, assistant administrator for the Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration.
In extreme cases, the state can ask the county prosecutor to press criminal charges, Theis said. Satori said he has been working with the state to catch up on back taxes and has paid every lien filed against his gallery, Satori Arts. Satori said he entered an amnesty program in 1997 because he didn’t earn enough money to cover overhead costs and pay all of his taxes.
Since then, he said he has paid the state new sales taxes while working to pay off the back taxes. He said he’s not sure how much he owes now. "Every week, I’m paying something back or I’m paying something current," he said.
Theis said he can’t verify or dispute that without violating the state’s confidentiality laws.
Joe McClung, who owns a real estate company and several other Eureka businesses, said he believes the mayor hasn’t paid the latest liens executed against him, and he’s furious.
"If you collected $120,000 for the state and you didn’t pay it, isn’t that stealing?" he asked. "If not, I’d like to know what it is. If he doesn’t have to pay it, why should anybody else in this entire state? Maybe I should stop paying."
McClung and Satori have sparred before. The pair ended up in court in 1997 after fighting over whether McClung was repairing a city sidewalk according to Eureka Springs preservation codes.
Theis looked into complaints from McClung and others in Eureka Springs who have called his office. He found that the Carroll County circuit clerk’s office marked five writs executing the liens as "received" on June 25. But officials at the sheriff’s office told Theis they didn’t receive the liens, he said.
Theis said the clerk’s office plans to resend the orders.
Meanwhile, McClung said he doesn’t think the state could get what it’s owed by auctioning Satori’s assets because most of the artwork in his gallery is sold on consignment.
"The state has no way to collect money from that man," he said. "He doesn’t own a home. He doesn’t own any real estate. He’s made tremendous chaos out of this city, and it’s time for him to pay up."
Satori said McClung’s allegations are "ridiculous."
"He doesn’t realize what my business is. I’m not a consignment store."
Satori doesn’t think he owes as much as the liens filed in June total saying that the state estimates the sales taxes collected.
"I find that hard to believe," Satori said. "I certainly don’t owe that much money. I haven’t collected that much the whole time I’ve owned the business."
Satori said he compares the state’s liens with his gallery records and often finds discrepancies, which he reconciles with state officials.
Satori said he also thinks the state has billed him for some taxes he had already paid, although Theis said that’s not the case.
"They do the best they can, and I do the best I can," Satori said. "I’m not having any disputes with the state. ... They’re being fair with me and I’m just playing catch-up."
Satori said he never received the certified letter notifying him that the state withdrew his sales tax permit. Satori could have appealed the revocation, but the deadline for that passed more than 18 months ago, Theis said.
Satori said that after October 2000, he contacted the Arkansas Department of Finance and Administration because he wasn’t getting sales tax forms he needed. The employees told him to copy old forms to pay his current taxes, he said. The department has accepted payments for sales tax collected this year, Satori said.
Theis said businesses shouldn’t operate without a sales tax permit, but Arkansas does accept sales tax collections from businesses that pay taxes even if their permit has been revoked.
Unlike the Internal Revenue Service, the state doesn’t have the authority to padlock businesses. The state can ask prosecutors to file charges if someone continues to operate a business without a permit.
Satori said his indebtedness may affect his decision whether to run for re-election.
"If I can work this out with the state and pay everything or come to some sort of agreement, I can run again," he said. "If my business is not surviving, I won’t be able to survive as mayor because being mayor doesn’t pay anything

[Kaye Miller]

Well this certainly clears up a lot of questions for me. Now we know why he needed a cell phone for when the gov calls and why he has been slow in paying those cell phone personal calls (wasn't cause he couldn't remember ..he has been paying all those back taxes). And, I'll just bet that certified letter came while he was out voting the second time.

[PMilam]

When I said "I agree with you, Larry, sounds all wrong, even if it was over three years.". I was agreeing to something that is no longer posted, so, I can't tell you exactly what it said, but something to the effect.. I don't always support/agree with Beau, but, I'm not so sure his gross sales are high enough to generate that kind of sales tax.
Still sounds like more money than he could have made in 3 yrs... which is what it sounded like to me, but, if it is over ten yrs.... it could be that amount.
Beau, it's time to go home and clean house.
Let someone else step up to the plate.

[BigBoy]

Sounds like to me since it is ...Election year, Mr. Casteel needs to do his job and look into this.

[S. Jones]

Joe to be honest I`m afraid my reaction would have been a bit more drastic.

Bob I`m in Tulsa and you can e-mail me at

gungfu38@yahoo.com

[eliza205]

We will have a new Mayor pretty soon. I hope we will have plenty of wonderful canidates to choose from, perhaps an - honest, hard-working, for the people (not the money), kind of person.

[sweetness&light]

eliza....do you live in the city limits? If so, I'm thinking about nominating you. So far, we have only one declared candidate and I like a good race...as long as it's not me running for anything more than chocolate (from my tuffet to the fridge and back just about tuckers me out)...which means we need more candidates. I don't hear anyone clamoring to sign up.

Joe McClung live in town? Surely he must own a few houses he could call his primary residence and the rest of us would swear to it?

[Royal Alcott]

The deadline for filing is around the middle of August.

We won't know who is running for what until then.

However, down at election central the campaigns began at least two years ago with publicity showered upon the same people time and time again.

This slamming of an office holder is just a peek at what will come when the candidates
take off their masks.

Wanting the mayor's resignation, which was tried by the County Prosecutor for a year until his case was thrown out of court, is an old trick so the city council could elect the next mayor from its ranks.

"Is this a game of chance?", asked the poker player of William Claude Dukenfield. "Not the way I play it", he answered.

Removing chance from an election is important here.

[Steve Beacham]

Royal, Are you saying that the article printed in the Dem/Gaz is some kind of contrived slam against Beau?

Do you think the basic charge of collecting taxes and keeping the money is not true?

[Royal Alcott]

Steve-

No. The Democrat-Gazette is a different media form from this BB.

Nowhere does the newspaper mention anything about the next election.

In a campaign against an office holder, it is a standard tactic to point with pride and view with alarm.

What you have now is the view with alarm.

Who will be pointed at with pride so far is a secret shared by very few.

There is no value in this alarm until the alarmists offer an alternative or alterntives.

Who is or are...?

[Joe Zickmund]

Oh Bill King, its seems to be that I remember you covering this story about two years ago. Our mayor omitted, in his financial disclocure, these sales tax liabilities. As I recall, the mayor indicated to you that he failed to acknowledge his liabilty to the state. He indicated that, "it must have been in the correspondence not yet opened on his desk". Remember that BILL? Now you quote him saying that he forsaw, in 1998 when he decided to run for mayor, that this might be a problem? Come on!!!! As a journalist, wouldn't you have remembered this comment? Shouldn't you have inquired to the former statement and clarified the facts? Or are you just a revenue machine for the businesses in our tourist community, and jouralism is secondary? Its OK if that's the fact. I have no problem with that business objective. But please remember that we businesspeople are not MUSHROOMS!

[Charles Goodwin]

Joe,

In my opinion (I say that for legal reasons), I feel Bill King can barely be thought to be a truthful person, or one who reports anything other than HIS version of what he wants to believe, whether factual or not.

You cited an example, so I'll add another to yours.

Back when a couple hundred people or so signed a petition for Carolyn Green to resign her position, due to comments she made that led people to believe she could not be impartial by judging based on "personality," Bill King called me on that issue.

He inquired if ESIC was also asking Carolyn to resign. He called just as I had walked in the door, returning from an out of town trip, so I told him that when I had left, ESIC had taken no position, but I'd call to see if that had changed while I was gone.

I called you, found out that there had been no position taken, and called Bill King back and told him just that.

He responded by saying "Oh, I just verified the same thing with Joe Zickmund."

So what did he publish?

He wrote that I had verified (or word to that effect) that ESIC in fact taken a formal position. This was in direct contrast to the truth that he learned both from me AND from you.

Ah, I do not miss the Eureka lies.

Regards,

Charles Goodwin