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Royal Alcott
06-21-2002, 10:24 AM
Kim Dickens has been promoted from an administrative assistant to the mayor to the office of City Administrator and then to City Manager by Yuuma.

These promotions bypassed the City Council and the voters.

So what!

With Yuuma representing the will of the people of Eureka Springs in Washington, D.C. who needs city government and voters!

Sieg Heil!

Larry Williams
06-21-2002, 11:06 AM
Royal,

There's more than one way to skin a cat--or in this case a parking garage. Citizen or City Council input just gets too messy and in the way of "progress."

Do you know who paid YUMA for their efforts on the Parking Garage Proposal? Was tax money involved? Was it legal?

becsflowers
06-21-2002, 11:07 AM
Yes, that IS an interesting situation; of course, isn't it "on paper" only?

Harikat
06-21-2002, 05:32 PM
Larry Williams,
No tax money was used. The $35,000.00 was donated by the Marty, $5K, Community First, $5K, and I'm not sure who else.

The architect, French Harris, was paid $15,015.00 first draw, and was owed a balance $2,535.00.
Yumma was paid for their time, and all expenses, as was Jack Moyers for his expenses.($1,076.63, $727.02 of that was motel)
Yumma charges $60.00 and hour, $15.00 an hour for filing. $4,900.00 was charged for the work on the Washington trip. They were also reimbursed $2,849.16 for expenses with $346.00 of that taxi rides.

A far as I know no tax payers money was used and Yumma was paid for their time and efforts to get a parking garage for Eureka.
The balance sheet said, "amount remaining in account as of 5/01/02-----????"


The HUD monies would work out a differently, with Yumma counting $12,000 office space, (in their home?) and Kim, offering the city's grant funded surveys as $80,000, allowing them to ask for 2 times that amount, $ 149,000. All correspondence and money is to go to Yumma's and the CDP's home address, Sandy and Judy's.

The proposal builds Yumma a new office, (double that $12,000. from their office now and that gives them $24,000 to build a new one) hires a director, their friend from the YWCA in Wisc. and an architect who's done HUD projects before, also from their home town up north. It also buys new computers for logging this data, etc.

Of course none of this is set in stone and these are all just moneys to study if we need low income housing in Eureka.


becsflowers,
The only paper thing that happened with Kim, was the Yumma girls e-mailed a letter for her signature, that looked almost identical/offical, to city hall stationary, except they changed the title on top to say, City Administrator, and got the city's web address wrong. We're a .org not a .com. Kim signed and sent it off with a whole package of paperwork, fed-exed immediately, as the deadline was closing in.

I'm sure anyone can ask for these dollar amounts and project plans. The CDP is a 501-C-3 and can be FOI'd like any other corp.

Becky Davis
06-21-2002, 07:13 PM
Are you talking about project apartments or low income homes?
Rent definitely needs to be lower in Eureka with the wages down like they are and not year round paychecks. Renting a house is almost out of the question unless one has room mates or is really lucky.

Larry Williams
06-21-2002, 07:22 PM
Cathy,

Was I wrong? Did the parking garage go before City Council? I'm pleased to have the figures but puzzled by the seeming doubt about the account balance. At $60/hour, I'd expect the ability to add and subtract or operate a calculator.

The HUD grant leaves some questions. $149,000 to see if we need low income housing? Let's see a town of 2,000 and most jobs are seasonal paying just above minimum wage? Most businesses seem to be experiencing a labor shortage because of the differential between wages and the cost of living. Can I have part of the money for figuring this out?

That money also seems to provide some nice perks. Do you suppose the City would let me use existing grants as a match for a grant proposal I might submit privately? Is that what's going on or am I missing something?

Maybe I just don't understand what all is going on. Can someone clear this up??

sweetness&light
06-21-2002, 08:12 PM
Do you remember those duck and cover drills we had in elementary school? Start practicing.

oldguy
06-21-2002, 09:03 PM
Is it true that there theme song was by Ronnie Milsap?

sweetness&light
06-21-2002, 09:07 PM
Was it the Millsap song I refer to as the stalking song..."...you can walk out on me tonight...but sweet darlin', there ain't no gettin' over me." Or words to that effect.

oldguy
06-21-2002, 09:25 PM
Behind closed doors!

Royal Alcott
06-21-2002, 09:28 PM
Becky-

Ask Yuuma or the CDP what kind of housing they are writing proposals about. Call The Bank of Eureka Springs and ask to speak to the President. He is also President of the CDP which is the Eureka Springs entity seeking the grant.

Or call the administrative assistant to the mayor, now the City Manager, who should know too.

"Affordable housing" translates many ways.

Without such details, who knows besides Yuuma, the CDP and the administrative assistant to the mayor?

The planning commission doesn't know what or where.

The Historic District Commisison doesn't know what or where.

The City Council doesn't know what or where.

sweetness&light
06-21-2002, 09:30 PM
Oh, pshaw! I thought that was Charlie Rich, but then I thought Merle Haggard had passed away, so what do I know? Zip. Guess it's time for Me And My Shadow to hit the hay, "Sleepin' Single in a Double Bed." Jeez, why are CW songs so darned sad? Their popularity must have increased Prozac prescriptions....or over-indulgence of chocolate.

CyberPsychDoc
06-21-2002, 11:31 PM
Not to intentionally further the confusion, but I thought that Charlie Cross was President of the Bank of Eureka Springs and Jon Loudermilk, President of the CDP.

Is it me that's confused, or everyone else? Never mind. I KNOW I am. Everyone else?

CDP

Harikat
06-22-2002, 06:33 AM
CPD,
You are right. Jon Loudermilk's signature was on all the paperwork. He is the head of the Community Development Partnership.

and Cyber, I noticed that slip, you signed off as CDP instead of your initials as ordered in your name. Funny.

Royal Alcott
06-22-2002, 07:23 AM
From a CDP document sent to Washington, D.C. in April, 2002.

"The Community Development Partnership of Western Carroll County (CDP), the requesting organization, was incorporated in March of 2000, receiving a 501(c)3 tax exempt status in November, 2000. The organization was intitated by the community and a group of 18 community members comprised the first board. These include, for example, Eureka Springs City Administrator, Kim Dickens; Carroll county Judge, Ed Robertson; Executive Vice President of the Bank of Eureka Springs, Charlie Cross; Chair of the Arkansas Tourism Commission, Wade Williams; Chair of the Greater Eureka Springs Chamber of Commerce Board, Sandy Wright; Chair of the City Advertising and Promotion Commission, Jon Loudermilk; Hispanic minister and community leader Nestor Rivera; economic development specialist with the Arkansas Department of Economic Development, Becky Reinhardt; community planning specialist Judi Selle; Councilman James DeVito; County Quorum Court member Marshall Turner; Crescent & Basin Park Hotel Manager Jack Moyer, the Eureka Springs School Superintendent Reck Wallis and leaders of major attractions, owners and managers of small businesses, retired professionals, and other involved citizens."

"The housing committee of the CDP was organized in early 2000 and has developed the work plan included in this proposal."

Any questions?

sweetness&light
06-22-2002, 07:52 AM
Yes, lots of them, but I don't feel like being slammed to the ground this morning by those who have deemed they know what's best for us and the town without having done much more than giving a muffled, courtesy, fairly limited announcement of unplanned plans.

Land for this low-income/apartment housing is owned by? Possibly related to? "Affordable housing" in employment ads out of the area to lure new workers?

No, probably not. More like altruistic philanthropists .... and aren't we all?

Royal Alcott
06-22-2002, 08:05 AM
Our CDP member City Manager since April is involved with two and maybe three projects which will require tax dollars.

The first, a Yuuma/CDP Washington lobbying effort with an working price tag of $13,700,000, involves a downtown parking garage, the auditorium and some underground work on somebody's property hollowed out by an underground stream.

Note that this hollowed ground is CDP member James DeVito's choice for a parking garage unlike the Planer Hill cave site he was against.

The second, a Yuuma/CDP $149,000 grant application before a White House Cabinet office, involves visioning (their term) and affordable housing somewhere.

The third may be the Downtown Development Plan proposed by fellow CDP member and often photographed house painter Jack Moyer who seeks city tax dollars in amounts yet undislosed.

In the words of Kurt Vonnegut, "Busy, busy, busy".

becsflowers
06-22-2002, 10:40 AM
Hello:
I am Sister Ann Noie, Nun of Yor Biznes.
I am applying for a $100,000.00 grant today from the federal government to study the effect that thongs worn too tight or impropperly fitted may/can have upon Mid-Southern government officials and those who follow them closely. It is MY belief that correct fitting and design can be achieved only through this grant, and therefor, I have named myself to be the only one responsible enough to oversee the funding for this project. Sorry. Any left over will be used to participate in the slot machines in the ghetto area of town(sorry...LOW INCOME) after THAT project is completed.
Any interested parties for helping fund my trip to Las...I mean Washington, please make a CASH donation to BECSFLOWERS, and note in your wallets that it is for the "thong study". For all the good it will do you to fund MY project, it may as WELL be up your @**!
Thank you for your time and consideration,

-Sister Ann Noie
-Nun of Yor Biznes

Pretend this is written on stationary supplied by Yumma, and it will look unbelievably REAL to you too!

[This message has been edited by becsflowers (edited 06-22-2002).]

Becky Davis
06-22-2002, 01:54 PM
I'll go to Washington with you to testify how truly miserable those tight thongs feel. An adjustment would "correct my attitude and possibly even cause me to vote republican".
Surely that will cinch the grant for you.

CyberPsychDoc
06-22-2002, 01:58 PM
Kathy, LOL. I did not even see the similarity until you pointed out my "typing too fast" typo. Thanks for pointing it out.

CPD

sweetness&light
06-22-2002, 02:23 PM
Hah! becs, that is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. I was starting to read it, thinking "Oh great. Here we go again with somebody and their hand out reaching for our wallet, but because it's a nun, we should be more accepting?" And then along came the thong. Girl, I fell off my tuffet and one of my humans had to prop me back up.

Your words are full of truth and I fear, should your grant be approved to adjust their tight fitting thongs, that your hands may also be dirty. Hmmm...would that be financially speaking or protology speaking? I hear Royal saying, "Same thing." No matter how you're gambling; wear gloves.

I'm glad I didn't have to be the one to bring up the future ghetto aspect. Anyone who has lived in big cities that went ahead with federally assisted grants for low income housing can tell you that it's not just low rents for low income citizens, it's also contracted to the lowest builder who uses the cheapest materials and cheapest labor which means the units are going to take a beating with a turnover of tenants living in them. Tenants won't care for them as their own because they don't have a vested interest in them (they're not the ones making a mortgage payment...if they gut the place, they just move on to the next rental, leaving who to pay for repairs and replacements?). Someone has to be paid to maintain the interior of the units and the exterior of the buildings and grounds. Who pays his or their salaries? What entity is responsible for annual upkeep and repairs? It's safe to say, it won't be a money making or a break even project; low income housing never is, but it's an altruistic idea. What little we know of the plans in the sand so far, doesn't address this aspect of it. It sounds like an ongoing money pit that will benefit who? We don't have enough info on this plan for the long haul after the housing is constructed.

Royal Alcott
06-22-2002, 03:25 PM
S&L-

Proctology. Protology would refer to something new. Nothing new about coming somewhere to do good and staying to do well.

CyberPsychDoc
06-22-2002, 03:29 PM
I know this is gonna sound corny, but why doesn't someone call Sandy Wright or Judi Selle and ASK those questions? I know it's more fun to keep guessing and postulating, but I bet it's probable we might get a more concise, maybe even factual, answer if we go straight to the horse's mouth, so to speak. (With no backwards slap meant to the Carriageguy at all)

If not Sandy or Judi, why not Jon Loudermilk, or Jack Moyer, Charlie Cross, or any of those other people listed on the original paperwork?

I know. Throw me out of the pigpen. It's a reasonable thought that makes a modicum of sense. I just thought I'd throw it out there for consideration.

CPD

sweetness&light
06-22-2002, 03:38 PM
Awww, shoot! Ruin our fun of p&moaning about everything? AS IF that would stop.

Geekfest: cheapest form of therapy with professional opinions and cures from primordial posters....or wannabes. Yes indeedee, we know it all...just ask us. snort!

just wondering
06-22-2002, 03:45 PM
Please Sister Ann Noie lets go big time. First we do IPO on Wall Street,(builder of multi-story parking lots), next hire the right accountant to do the books on low heat at first, hire all these uppity and know it all people in Eureka Springs with big fat 401(k)s. Promise them big stock options with lots of chocolate derivatives. Throw a big party downtown, give away a free antique car as frist prize, second prize a motorcycle with straight pipes. Wow! The stock price should go threw the roof. Cash in, and off to Rome.

sweetness&light
06-22-2002, 03:50 PM
Where do I sign up and that antique car better not be my Hupmobile!

Sandy Wright
06-22-2002, 04:00 PM
Hard to believe these postings sometimes, especially from a city leader like Harikat. Don't know where you are getting your information, Kathy, but it isn't reliable. And, folks, meanness and half truths don't bring people together, although some folks seem to think so.

We don't like to deal with anything but facts because otherwise it's she said/he said. So, here are some facts you can check out yourself if that won’t ruin a good rip on this chat room.

Statement: $4,900 was charged for the Washington trip.
Fact: Yuuma contributed our time on the DC trip – two people, for three days, a $3,600
donation to the project. Kathy can check the invoice list to verify.

Statement: They were also reimbursed $2,849 for expenses with $346 of that taxi rides.
Fact: We put the majority of expenses on our credit card, including Mayor Beau Satori’s
flight and meals, among many other expenses. Two days, D.C. taxis, back-to-
back meetings for 6 people. Yep, it was $346 for taxis.

Regarding HUD – here is where the fantasy soars and the statements get nasty.

Statement: Yuuma counting $12,000 office space (in their home?)
Fact: The $12,000 office space line item is a contribution from the community because
the Chamber offered to help CDP locate donated office space for the project. It has nothing to do with Yuuma office space. We are not the CDP offices nor will we be for the project. And, it was not a request to HUD for $12,000.

Statement: Kim, offering the city’s grant funded surveys as $80,000, allowing them to
ask for 2 times that amount, $149,000.
Fact: The Mayor told us to work with Kim to get a figure on the City’s survey of
buildings as a show of support for the housing survey. Others heard him direct us to work with Kim. We contacted Kim and asked her for the cost to include and the wording. (by the way, it is $70,000 in the proposal.) This amount has nothing to do with the ability for the CDP to request $149,000. It is not a match nor does it have any direct bearing on the amt. requested. It is simply that the limit for a HUD request under this grant is $150,000.

Statement: All correspondence and money is to go to Yuuma’s and the CDP’s home
address, Sandy & Judy’s (by the way, it is Judi).
Fact: The correspondence for questions on the grant is to come to us because we
wrote the grant and could answer them. The money does not come to Yuuma. It will be made out to the CDP and go directly to the CDP…no matter what address is arrives at. Yuuma, as a company, has nothing to do with the grant money or the administration of it. The money must and will go to a 501 (c)3 organization.


Statement: The proposal builds Yuuma a new office (double that $12,000 from their
office now and that gives them $24,000 to build a new one).
Fact: This statement is would be laughable if it wasn’t so blatantly pathetic.(sorry, that is opinion, not fact). We rather
like our current offices and have no intention of building a new one with HUD
money or ours. There is NO money in this proposal for anything to do with Yuuma’s office. Where did you get this one?

Statement: hires a director, their friend from the YWCA in Wisconsin
Fact: The CDP will hire a director. I bet if you wanted to get involved, you could
even have input, Harikat. Our friend is the head of the largest not-for-profit
YWCA in the country and very knowledgeable about HUD. She has no desire to move to Eureka Springs, nor has it ever been discussed. She simply could act as an effective consultant. The CDP and whoever is involved would decide.

Statement: and an architect who’s done HUD projects before, also from their home town
up north.
Fact: Sandy’s home town is Chicago, by the way. And, yes, he is one hell of a good
HUD consultant with a track record a mile long. You might be interested to note
that with such a short time to do the proposal, we did contact the AR Dept. of
Economic Development to get potential HUD-knowledgeable consultants. Judi
connected with several recommended consultants, all of whom were developers with enthusiasm about the project, but lacked the experience needed for this particular proposal. She also talked with the University of Arkansas, who would consider providing in-kind support to assist Eureka Springs. We even tried Nancy Leake, a HUD-smart woman out of Bentonville who travels around the state, but no luck on short notice. So, we went to the next set of HUD-knowledgeable consultants we knew to be responsible and make the deadline. Shame on us.

Statement: It also buys new computers for logging this data, etc.
Fact: Yes it does and they would belong to CDP and the community, not Yuuma. We
have very nice computers, thank you.

Statement: the Yuuma girls emailed a letter for Kim’s signature, that looked almost
identical/official, to city hall stationary, except they changed the title on top to
say, City Administrator and got the city’s web address wrong.
Fact: This one is almost libelous, Ms. Harikat. First we emailed Kim a draft letter at 7:30 a.m. that asked her to review it, make changes, verify the facts. We have
that email on file. It wasn’t on any stationery. Second, we have never seen Kim’s stationery until we picked up the finished letter. If there are errors, I would check with whomever designed her letterhead. It has nothing to do with us. I would
suggest that if you haven’t checked with Kim on this one, you do so and she will
verify that this is a blatant lie, which we would appreciate you retracting.

With regard to subsequent postings, perhaps there are those of you who would be willing to donate your time to write complicated proposals. Or some city leaders who would take the time to read the workplan included in the proposal and see how much community input, surveys to determine need, looking at options, developing a plan that all constituents agree to (that includes the community, the City, etc.). It’s not about Yuuma.

Judi and I went before the Plan Commission about a week ago and were there to answer any questions about the HUD proposal. Not one was raised. We put ourselves out there publicly because we believe people shouldn’t do anything for a community that they aren’t willing to stand behind or hear concerns about. We're willing to change when we hear constructive suggestions. How unfortunate some have to resort to name calling and untrue statements in the chat rooms with veiled names.

We would hope, that as discouraging as this experience continues to be, those of you who have enough time to post, also have enough integrity to research what you say about a project or a company, pick up the phone and ask. We’ve never lied to anyone yet and we don’t intend to start. If you don’t like something, then get involved. If you don’t like something we do, then have the decency to call and talk with us about it. 253-1274. I think we should be able to expect that from leadership and from one another, shouldn’t we?

becsflowers
06-22-2002, 04:02 PM
I have personally addressed several people on this issue(the grant, etc.in general) and been all but snowed out of Eureka in June.

Not one straight answer, and even 1 smart @** one asking me how many houses I painted for FREE. Nice detour.Answer my questions with a question. Eliminated ALL credibility I had for that person(who, by the WAY, I VOTED for?)

Another for sure way for me to attack your credibility: piss and moan about city issues up for vote without actually being a citizen of the CITY LIMITS.
Tired of your "business" suffering from whatever it is that ails it? MOVE TO TOWN and VOTE.
Rather live out at the lake? PRIORITIES. PERIOD.
Your comfort and well being are more IMPORTANT than your business in town?

The only way to change things IN TOWN are to be one of the people IN TOWN that live in it day after day because they LIKE town. And a lot of them vote for the things that AFFECT THEM in TOWN. I don't care what happens in your lake neighborhood. That's why I LIVE in town. It's America, and you are free to have business in town and live where ever the 7734 you want. But in order for your ideas to become REALITY on what goes ON in town, you have to VOTE IN TOWN. And the last time I checked, you have to be a primary resident OF TOWN. That's what the laws of being "incorperated" are all about. They are laws made by people, in whatever city, who wish to BE city residents and insure that OUTSIDERS can not come in and run their business. Read em.
A word for the people out of the city limits who want to infiltrate the voting system by helping get their "Hitlers" elected/re-elected:
It won't work.
People are actually seeing what kind of "good" your candidates DID for the "city" of Eureka during their LAST term. The do gooders will be re-elected. The rest will be foriegn material in the dust bin.

I don't believe all of the items suggested by county residents are bad for our city; there are many smart people out in the county with very GOOD ideas. Wish you COULD/WOULD live here and offer us some sanity in government.

For the rest of the fruitcakes:
You are nuttier than a Wal Mart fruitcake in December. If you think all your lobbying in the state for your "rights" to live in the country and vote in town is going to become a reality, you need to have your medicine changed. You are hallucinating.

Like it is anybody's BIZZNESS: When I was younger,I have done my share of painting houses not only for FREE, but also cleaned houses, mowed yards for elderly and disabled, took 4 foster kids for the summer WITH OUT state assistance and fought for the rights of single parents who can not collect child support. The list goes on and on. All for FREE. So, before you come to me asking what I have done for FREE, make sure you KNOW me well enough to even ASK me.

There. All you need to know.

For FREE.

becsflowers
06-22-2002, 04:28 PM
And just exactly HOW MUCH money is the CDP paying you for writing this grant, SHOULD it be accepted? That IS standard procedure, isn't it? I mean , being grant facilatators is what you do for a living, I presume. Haven't you been paid at least ONCE by all the companies/organizations you have helped since you've been here?

just wondering
06-22-2002, 05:04 PM
Wow! Here I live in town and been told to get out of town. And they want time and goodies for FREE?

just wondering
06-22-2002, 05:11 PM
Now. Back to Sweetness&Light, if you notice the small print in Latin, you must have a 401(k)and 4,000 shares of the IPO in your account to win a prize.

Bubba
06-22-2002, 06:52 PM
What part of Yumma's reply implied that they are trying to vote in town or elect their "Hitlers?

Distract, distract, distract.

Shame, shame, shame.

The truth must dearly hurt.

[This message has been edited by Bubba (edited 06-22-2002).]

Royal Alcott
06-22-2002, 07:12 PM
Ms Wright-

This thread began as commentary on the elevation of the administrative assistant to the mayor to a City Administrator and then to City Manager by Yuuma to lend undeserved credibility to a federal grant application and to all who may consider it in the Congress.

That is a knowing misrepresentation of critical facts.

And you know it!

becsflowers
06-22-2002, 07:15 PM
No where in the section where I mensioned "Hitlers" did I mension Yumma or mean to imply Yumma IN that section.

Nor did I imply, or mean to, that YUMMA was living in the county and wants to VOTE in the city.

My question about the grant was to an elected city official, who SHOULD be privy to information about grants of that nature, since it had another city employee's name on it. Nowhere in that post was Yumma mensioned. I was still typing it when Yumma posted directly before me.

The post AFTER ,however, was asking questions that Yumma may or may not choose to answer.

No way have I implied anybody should move out of town.

Shame on your OWN self.

sweetness&light
06-22-2002, 07:21 PM
My apologies, jw. I'm fluent only in pig latin and just selectively skimmed right over that. 401k...not fluent in that either. Is it some type of liquor?

Maybe that's what the citizens/non-citizens of this town need: one big honking drink, step back 30 paces and try to either promote what business we've got or find new businesses to bring to town instead of trying to make a polyesther purse out of a sow's ear.

Royal Alcott
06-22-2002, 08:19 PM
Kathy-

Let me take this one.

Ms Wright:

Fact: On April 26, 2002, the CDP dispatched a grant application to a federal agency which, if successsful, would affect the responsibilities of the Planning Commission, the Historic District Commission and the City Council. None of these were informed or consulted.

Fact: On June 23, almost two months after the grant application was sent to Washington, D.C. Judi Selle read (quite badly) a document which contained no details about what kind, where and how much "affordable housing" was being considered and gave no details about the data gathered by the CDP housing committee included in the application or named its members.

Fact: As of this date the Historic District Commission, which would be involved in any plan to build anything anywhere in the Historic District, has not been consulted on anything.

Fact: Prior to April 26, Yuuma, the CDP and their related organizations and institutions prepared a massive and continuing lobbying effort in the Arkansas congressional delegation for $13.7 million in public funds to design and build a parking garage, do something about hollow ground involved and work on the auditorium.

That effort included statements of widespread support in town when very few people knew anything about it and even fewer had seen an architectural elevation or a line item budget neither of which has ever been presented to the City Council or any city commission.

Fact: The congressional delegation staffers being lobbied have been very surprised (like Bill King whose editorial is being read in Washington) to learn how few people here knew anything.

Fact: The eligible population of your Eureka Springs mushroom farm still gets to vote.

oldguy
06-23-2002, 10:41 AM
What I find funny is if I understand is a small group of connected people want to control a bunch of stuff. They want a entertainment dist. with no concern for the shops that make there living there. They want low income housing in town. Why? Why wouldn't they want to use the main street area to devolope more shops to bring in more tourest. Land is kinda hard to find here. How would that affect the crisma of the town? I've never seen such property add to the overall value of any area. Something sounds bogas about the whold deal. I haven't heard anything about who the landowners are that would benifit. Does anyone think someone would spend thousands to fix up a neet old house knowing a block away could be the mess that comes with the projects. As far as the city manager being missrepresented, did'nt the experts that sumitted the grant check? After they saw the error did they get back with the agencys to correct it. Do these people think we are fools and believe that it was just a mistake? As professionals they know the huge differance between assistent to the Mayor and City ADM. and the power one has in relation to the other. It is obvious who the players are. That big grin Kim gave you after your presentation spoke volunms.

Yank
06-25-2002, 08:44 AM
It amazes me to find words like Yumma, CDP, ESCOC synonimous with backroom politics and doing good for the community. The same names always pop up and nobody ever holds them accountable for their actions, so obviously they are doing something (W)right.
I have read where the CDP plans to expand its services from Western to all of Carrol county. This is great or is it. If you look real close I am sure that you will find a Yuuma proposal for this.
Comment has been made on this board as to why Yuuma is given credit (paid) for presenting information as their own wonderful proposal when the same information is readily available. A little more research will also turn up an administrative restructuring proposal presented to the ESCOC by the same parties that originated in a chat room forum. So what..
Hey...give these gals a break..they are doing a service for the community weither you like them or not. So what if they build in some bucks for themselves. This is their business. Eureka should be pleased to have a firm like Yuuma pulling for your best intrests. If you dont like their tactics, do it yourself. If it is their ethics, look only to your (elected) mayor.
An outsiders opinion

Becky Davis
06-25-2002, 09:16 AM
Probably most workers in Eureka (based on a national scale) would be approved by HUD for housing assistance. If they could find a place to live. There are already a couple of apartment complexes on Pivot Rock Rd that do accept HUD and rent is based on income. They are usually full. And they are nice. Berryville and Green Forest have several complexes, which on the other hand are not so nice. And then we have "Tatorville" created by people who simply cannot find an affordable place to live.
Are we looking to do something like Tyson's? In that there are simply not enough workers and we can bring them in, but need a place for them to live?
Does this help the people already living and working in Eureka? Do you know many people who don't have to work two or more jobs to survive there?
It seems Eureka's population will grow. But economically how can it if wages remain low?
Not to say that low wages is a Eureka problem only. Low wages are all over Arkansas.

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Yank
06-25-2002, 10:09 AM
After all of the bashing is said and done, someone may want to give Yuuma a ring and see if they would be willing to put toghether an econ. dev. program/proposal that might attract new business and industry in an attempt to turn Eureka into a 12 month economy. Then, sadly enough, those who enjoy working in a seasonal economy and taking the winter off would be forced to find real jobs in the off season and not live off of the state. This is completly off of the subject and deserves a new thread.I am sure that one can be found in the archives, dusted off and re-posted as new with nobody noticing and nobody acting on the issue.


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Becky Davis
06-25-2002, 10:19 AM
Sorry Yank. I don't consider asking honest to goodness questions as bashing.
Sandy Wright posted on this thread and in doing opened this post to discussion.
Your ideas are good ones. Most of us have talked about new business coming to Eureka that would provide better wages and year round employment.
As far as those who are laid off in the winter time, they are not living off of the state. Unemployment insurance is not paid by the state. Do you have the same opinion of teachers who have the summer's off?




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Yank
06-25-2002, 10:33 AM
The statment that introduced my term "bashing" came from Wrights statement "And, folks, meanness and half truths....". Your questions are valid and too the point. It does though suprise me that they were answered in a timely manner and on this board. The standard Yuuma reply takes upwards of a week or more and may blindside you as a letter to the editor.

Yank
06-25-2002, 10:41 AM
Becky....Good point. Can I exercise my right too "back peddle". I would hope that teachers are paid on a yearly scale so as not to impact the summer vacation period.

Royal Alcott
06-25-2002, 10:58 AM
Yank-

Have you seen the line item budget for the $13.7 million project being lobbied for in Washington with claims of widespread public support? The City Council hasn't.

Have you seen the architect's elevation for the parking garage being lobbied for with claims of widespreasd public support? The City Council, the Planning Commission and the Historic District Commission haven't.

Have you seen the HUD proposal claiming widespread public support or the real estate study done by the CDP? The City Council, the Planning Commission and the Historic District Commission haven't.

If you haven't seen these things, you are part of a large majority of Eureka Springs residents considered to be a mushroom farm by the chosen few with attendant care typical of these things.

Yank
06-25-2002, 11:35 AM
So let me get this straight. Yuuma has... <UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Completly and utterly misrepresented the people of Eureka.
<LI>Misled a government agency by indicating in some way that a city employee was a "City Manager"(a title that carries similar weight as a mayor)and endorses their actions.
<LI>Has not consulted with or has bypassed the local authorities on potential building projects.
[/list]
Now if any of these are true, why has someone not started criminal proceedings as it seems to me their is a lot of fraud to be delt with. Fraud is a very strong word and I use it cautiously, but this seems to be where all of this is headed. If the people of Eureka are not in support of nor do they endorse this firm, then they should speak out, in public, before the checks are cut. After all is said and done their may be no turning back.

Royal Alcott
06-25-2002, 12:29 PM
Yank-

The state prosecutes criminal cases. HUD is federal agency.

sweetness&light
06-25-2002, 02:51 PM
Royal,
The CDP of Western Carroll County is holding a press conference 6-28-02 at 10AM to announce 2 new projects and new leadership.

Meet you there?

Royal Alcott
06-25-2002, 03:49 PM
S&L-

Where?

Who is holding it?

sweetness&light
06-25-2002, 06:54 PM
159 N. Main St. The CDP of Western Carroll County is holding the press conference, or so I've been told.

Sandy Wright
06-25-2002, 08:48 PM
If you have questions, call us. 253-1274. Meet with us. Take a look at what's real in writing. Meet the people you are making assumptions about. It serves no purpose to answer each of these wild accusations. Yuuma stands totally behind our actions and our integrity. If you want something to change, a different way to have things handled, then have the hootzpa to pick up the phone and discuss it. Otherwise, wild rantings serve no purpose other than to keep this chat thread alive.

If we are to move forward as a community -- with full discussion of what people really want, then bring the discussion into a forum where positive change, both in process and proposal, can actually happen. I'm sorry if we sound like campfire girls, but it is what we believe. Aren't we, as a community, tired of this old accusatory way of operating yet? Unfounded statements that are put forth as truth?

Somewhere in this conversation, there is some good -- a discussion about affordable housing and innovative economic development is happening. The HUD grant is designed to have this conversation continue and deepen, with facts, research,community disscussion and community planning. There is no plan, only a request to help this community develop one...with the staff hired and devoted to ensuring community-wide planning happens. Why is that so hard to understand if you've seen the HUD proposal? We don't operate on hidden motives, nor any hidden agendas. If you want to shed light on the statements made in this chat room, please find a better flashlight.

We're off line on posting on this.
But, we are available by phone or email.

Sandy Wright & Judi Selle
sandy@yuuma.com judi@yuuma.com

oldguy
06-25-2002, 10:02 PM
It seem so odd that the people keep patting themselves on the back and talk about there honor. It seem like they would have talked to the commisions, council, town hall meetings anything to get input on what direction the city wanted to go. It is obvious they have their motives. Who ask them to apply for a grant? Where do they hold their meetings. Have any of you out their been invited or ask anything you think is important for the city? When you read who is on the board. I think I,m going to believe Mr. Royal. Its the only bank we can call our own.

Royal Alcott
06-25-2002, 10:18 PM
Ms Wright-

There are no wild accusations or wild rantings here unles you brought them with you.

sweetness&light
06-25-2002, 10:22 PM
Would Shakespear mutter, "Me thinks they doth protest to much"?

Royal Alcott
06-26-2002, 04:13 AM
Their Majesties are going to speak to the mushrooms?

Or about the mushrooms?

sweetness&light
06-26-2002, 02:00 PM
Less than 6 months to Christmas, isn't that great?
It's just a few days into summer and I can't wait.
Looking forward to cheery holiday lights on all our streets
And wonderful smells from ovens baking sweet holiday treats.

Nothing makes a heart beat so merry
As pine wreaths and the scent of cranberry,
Walking thru downtown on a crisp wintery night,
Seasonal decorated windows; what a delight.

It's a perfect time for Eureka to shine as the Victorian star
To invite visitors to share in our good fortune to be where we are.
Our generously benevolent mood doesn't last long, more's the pity.
It's a shame we can't get along with ourselves in this magical city.

To keep the Christmas feeling flowing all year of love and goodwill
Would be the perfect project, but folks fear they'd get stuck with the bill.
Too bad others have created a mistrust in our otherwise perfect land,
Not keeping promises or minding the benefits of its citizens at hand.

But then the apathy of the citizens hold themselves to blame.
Keeping quiet accepted these actions; it's really a shame.
A sense of "Why should we complain? They'll just do as they want,"
Has now multiplied and come back as Scrooge's Marley to haunt.

Suddenly all these entities were quietly planning supposedly good things for the city,
But if projects aren't presented first to those in charge for approval, then why have a committee?
It seems there's a lot of not following by the rules going around;
It's hard to get the horses back in the barn once they've left the surround.

So what is the solution you're wanting me to say?
And I ask can this really wait til the next voting day?
Should you speak directly to your councilperson if there's anything you think he should do?
Or should you continue to let things go without anything mattering to you?

It would be wonderful if this was all settled by the holiday season.
To hold responsible feet to the fire...good grief, might that be treason?
Ignoring rules like the vintner who cuts off the roots of the grapes, killing the vine,
Don't we need guidelines enforced for approved city enhancements or shall we sit here and whine?

In any case, the season of goodwill, love and caring soon will draw near;
It's a shame we can't keep these good feelings going throughout the year.
And if you feel it's negative bringing these unpleasant subjects up to be seen in the light,
Then we wish you the very best holiday cheer, good luck in the future, and mushrooms...good night.

oldguy
06-26-2002, 06:16 PM
I wandered through the court house in Eureka, and in the office I did peeka. There were all the Kings horses and all the Kings men, but it wasn't the King that was leading them. Does this sound like a story from Dickens?

Harikat
06-27-2002, 10:29 AM
I am only sharing my observations of the last couple of weeks.

The population of Eureka had no idea this HUD proposal was going to Washington.

To infer public support is walking a very thin line. The LARC study and plans by the University are only suggestions. Without living in Eureka for a while, any outsider may change their minds about what will work here and what won't fly.

I find the people of Eureka to be intelligent, and well informed. Perhaps they should be consulted before a major impact like Low Income Housing is built at the end of their street.

Perhaps the Planning Commission should have looked at the Master Plan before this application went to Washington. To make sure the suggested HUD locations are compatable with zoning, would make for a factual report going to Wahington.

Don't get me wrong, the Yumma girls are very good at their jobs. They have the ability to wade thru mountains of paperwork, cross all the t's, dot all the i's. That is their job.

The lack of public involvement, the lack of elected city council having any knowledge of the HUD proposal, makes it feel like the comment I heard to the effect of: "we can't deal with the quagmire of city government, it keeps us from getting things done", may be exactly how they want their plans to run.

So be it, but the government of the people, by the people, for the people just took a step backwards, to keep from being run over by those who know what's best for us, and are going to do it without our interference.

You can't vote for the them, you can't fire them, you can't stop them.

If you do not support building HUD housing in historic Eureka Springs, what is the answer?

write:

Department of Housing & Urban Development
Office of Inspector General Hotline
Assistant Inspector General for Investigations
451 7th Street S.W., Room 8270
Washington, D.C. 20410

Laws protect you from reprisals(any action taken against you because you filed this complaint)
Your complaint will be kept confidential.

You don't have to fly to Washington to let them know you do not support this project. If not given a chance to voice your opinion locally, go to the top.

Steve Beacham
06-27-2002, 12:17 PM
Kathy,

Am I wrong or wasn't the Mayor (an elected city official) part of the trip to Washington and the meeting with HUD?

Royal Alcott
06-27-2002, 12:32 PM
Steve-

I believe the trip to Washington you mentioned had to do with some $13 million in federal funds needed for a parking garage and the auditorium.

The six figure CDP grant application to study the need for affordable housing here was sent to HUD on April 26, 2002.

Neither the mayor nor any elected ciy official signed any of the grant application documents.

sweetness&light
06-27-2002, 07:46 PM
Kathy,
I'm just wondering...how did the council members feel about this project not being presented to them for their input before it was sent to DC? Are they for the chain of command or does it matter regarding the submission of a gramt application even if just for planning?

jack moyer
06-27-2002, 09:49 PM
The CDP will hold a press conference at 10AM at 159 Main St.

I personally will answer any questions that any of you may have and will reserve all the time needed to address any concerns that may surface.

I look forward to those who have posted such and will kindly report back in my final post to this board the feedback received and to whom in which we discussed what.

I sure the community at large will be pleased with the efforts put forth on a volunteer basis for our community and County as a whole

becsflowers
06-28-2002, 10:44 AM
Had to work this morning until just a short while ago. Looking forward to your post about these issues. Hope there were people there to ask these questions, I would have loved to have been there, sorry I had to miss it. Hope it went well.