New CAPC Web Site

[Toad Lilly]

Well, it's up and running! Everybody should take a close look @www.eurekasprings.org. Look very carefully at your listing. Sorry real estate people-you're not there. I guess CAPC isn't interested in having anyone relocate to Eureka Springs.

I thought Lynn/Susan Carrington/Berry said that the site was ready to go. They have been working on this since last November! But maybe this isn't the same site they paid $17,000 to have done. I thought that some guy named Simon Overby was doing it, but this site seems to be created by DCS/Patti Flores. I thought she was the Chamber's "webmaster". Now it seems that Patti Flores is the owner of the web site that has all of the CAPC data base info in it. Check out www.eurekaspringsarkansas.org. (http://www.eurekaspringsarkansas.org.) Patti is listed as owner, administrative contact, technical contact, & zone contact. I thought the idea was to take this all "in house" so that the CAPC would have "control" of their own site. And the owner of www.THEAUDITORIUM.ORG (http://www.THEAUDITORIUM.ORG) is Susan (Lynn) Carrington??? What's that about? The CAPC has "control" but their EMPLOYEES own the websites?????

After you get finished cruising the new website (make sure you check out the DINING category and all the seating capacities and contact info), why doesn't everybody call their CAPC Commissioners so that they can find out what we all think about this great new "in house" website that was apparently the best of the two that they have paid our tax dollars to create. The CAPC offices are only open Mon.-Fri. so you'll have to wait until Monday to contact them with your corrections.

[This message has been edited by Toad Lilly (edited 07-12-2002).]

[C-mo]

As someone who has used the dining section frequently on the PIM sponsored site, I can tell you the dining section of the eurekasprings.org site doesn't compare.

With the PIM site, you could search by cuisine type, or perform an alphabetical search, or just type in the name of the restaurant to view their menu, hours of operation, etc.

All the new site has to offer is an alphabetical listing, with not much information on the restaurants. Heaven help you if you want to get information on Sparky's. You'd have to search through 7 pages of restarants you're not interested in, just to get to Sparkys info.

And what's with all the Yes titles before the restaurants?

I'm an advocate of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". In this case it wasn't broke, but apparently it is now.

[JET]

It's ready!!!! It's ready!!! Looks like "IT" needs a good flush. That's what you do with, you know. You have to wonder about all the money wasted trying to fix something that worked so well.

[frumious Bandersnatch]

Fuel to fire...

Was PIM ever paid the THOUSANDS of dollars owed to them for the site that was working before it was hijacked and the businesses who pay for the site (through taxes) with it?

I never want to be political, but some things just need to be "do the right thing" and this philosophy does not appear to be being considered by those who have SO much control over our livelihood.

[amazed]

Took me forever to figure out how to work the "show me" feature. I couldn't see the dark print on the blue bar. When I finally did get to dining listings, etc., I thought, "why bother???" What a mistake, what a mess, and what a shame!!!!!!

[Becky Davis]

No, it is definitely not better or as good as PIMS. However, I think it has promise and it is up and running. (Not crazy about the blue at all)
Perhaps in time it will improve. Does anybody know how much money the CAPC will save with the new website annually?
Nothing like the power of a bunch of determined women. I think they need more time to show their stuff down there. Just hang on and watch them grow. It's too early yet to condemn them.
As far as the good thing we had going with PIMS. That is gone for now and a lot of howling will go on if these hardworking talented women do not get their money for the excellent work they did for Eureka Springs.

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[Royal Alcott]

Isn't any City Advertising and Promotion Commission web site intended to influence travel decisions at a distance?

How can the effectiveness of any web site with this purpose be judged conclusively a day or two after it first appears in public?

The information it offers at a distance is not intended to substitute for local knowledege.

Web sites intended to influence economic decisions at a distance are not pictures in a gallery to be criticised for form and technique.

[BigBadBoy]

Maybe the new web site should state. "We are new at this. The town looks a lot better than this stite." Come see for yourself.

[seemstome]

give them a chance...please these people on
this site are friends with frick and frack,
they can only see near sighted.....pim do
an okay job...but belive me there are better
out here...please people get a life...or
better yet a job...so u can stay busy...

[C-mo]

I've got a job A--hole, as do most people who post on this board.

If locals cannot use the new site effectively, how do you think someone who has never been here can?

The "new" site could not wipe the ass of the previous site.

Royal, would you agree that we've traded an excellent site run by professionals who actually know what they're doing for some tenderfeet who need six or months or so before we judge the effectiveness of their work? Step out of lapdog mode before you answer that.

Near sighted? I'll take near-sighted over totally blind any day.

[foxglove]

OMG! I just looked at this site. Appalling. Eureka Springs not only shot it's foot off... as stated before; it shot itself in the head!
Great......this is the last thing this town needs.

[Kaye Miller]

What a hoot!!! Just checked out our listing. The store names aren't even listed. It's under the corporate name. How many of you knew 52 Spring Street was next door to Forest Hill Resturant???

I did find it interesting that a CAPC commissioner's listing gave what appeared to be an entire inventory listing. It may be we just start earlier and close later, but I have only seen the shop open once. Usually it just says "shut".

Let's all sing along ..."He did it hizzzz way ...

"Let's give them time" just does not cut it. They have been working on this behind closed doors since November. Satori, Loudermilk, and Berry knew this was going on. Did any of them check this site before paying out the money???

So, if any of those involved in the sloppy listing of our business are reading this, please be advised we have a professional site with PIM and would just as soon not appear in this directory. No one will even be able to find our stores anyway.

[Royal Alcott]

C Mo-

Since I have no idea what the old web site did to stop the town's continuing loss of market share, I can't comment on its effectiveness.

No business here can welcome customers who stay home.

A city web site is not a local phone book or a substitute for a Chamber of Commerce visitor guide.

I believe the other web site is still up and running so everyone has a choice.

I had no need to see the other web site so I can not make comparisons on form or style and certainly not results.

Lap dog? Your insults are as ridiculous as your scatological proclivities.

[Kaye Miller]

Saving a little time for everyone here -

scatological- adj. concerned with obscene matters

proclivities- n. an inherent inclination esp. toward something objectionable

Now isn't that impressive??? Test tomorrow at 2:00 p.m.

[All About Love]

When I checked out the new web site today, I was concerned first with my business listing, selfishly. There was no web site address for potential clients to click on for access to my web site to give information and the email address was outdated. I do not recall CAPC sending anything requesting current email addresses, but it could have happened and I missed it. However, I was far from being the only wedding provider missing the necessary web site link.

I was surprised to see many shops and galleries not listed, yet places that have gone out of business were listed. I scanned the hotel listings and saw Basin Park Hotel was not listed and thought it may be grouped with its sister hotel, The Crescent, but no word was mentioned in the description. We don't have many historic hotels, so unless Basin specifically requested to not be mentioned, and maybe that is the case, one would think it would be listed. No directory for anything related to real estate either for those interested in possibly relocating to Eureka.

Yes, every new system has glitches, but when a seamless transition has been promised by professionals, that is exactly what I expect to happen---not this many ommissions and errors. It would appear that sites and info had not been checked by human eyes and we all know computers only dish out what has been inputted.

I was really hoping this would have been a smooth transition, especially since we are in the middle of our busiest season when people are still planning summer, fall and winter vacations. If they can't find us, they will find someone somewhere else.

[C-mo]

I see lapdog has been using his Thesaurus again.

All About Love - don't worry, according to lapdog, folks can just pick up a phone book when they get here, or order a visitor guide to find out information about your establishment.

We had a wonderful site run by professionals. We must now rely on phone books and the visitor guide. I guess that pretty much answers the question I asked lapdog, and he refused to answer.

Lapdog, does ringjob ring a bell. You opened the door on name calling. Of course, your petty name calling would never be scatalogical proclivities, would it?

[Kaye Miller]

The council will be voting on filling the position on the CAPC commission at their next meeting. Keep in mind who farmed this site out unbeknownst to most of the commission members. If you are pleased with the job done, pick up the phone (or email) and let the commissioners know how you feel.

If you are not pleased with the job, pick up the phone (or email) and let the commissioners know how you feel.

All those out there in geekfest land who think the blame for this mess will all be laid at PIM's doorstep, raise your hand.

[Kaye Miller]

Gotta be fair here. Just checked in on the new web site again and it certainly looks better. Our shops are now listed and the information is much better. WHEW!

[amazed]

Who is Simon Overby and where is his office? Was the new site done inhouse by the
CAPC or was it done by DCS?

[Mishey]

I just went to the new site and I say thumbs up!

[Becky Davis]

I agree Mishey. It is coming along.

[Helen Jeffrey]

There is only one thing wrong with the newe site. IT IS BORING!!!@!!

[Forever Curious]

Always the curious one, I went out and looked at the new site. Without comment on its worthiness or appeal, or anything else about the site, I simply scrolled to the bottom of the front page, and this is what I found. "Site design by: Digital Creative Services"

So, for those asking the question, no, it wasn't created in house. It was created by DCS.

By doing a little curious exploring over at Network Solutions' whois, I found that eurekaspringsarkansas.org that someone mentioned was only created on June 30 of 2002, two weeks ago. Yes, by Patti Flores of DCS. Which is not a surprise since it appears she also owns eurekaspringsarkansas.com. That one is a little older.

Staying on the whois, it appears that Patti Flores is the technical contact for the CAPC site, eurekasprings.org, as well as the technical contact for eurekaspringschamber.com (Eureka Springs C O C) where she actually works, I'm told.

The now bald hippie, I hear through the rumor mill, is running DCS and doing all the design work now since Ms. Flores is otherwise occupied most of the time. That, as I said, is stricly from the rumor mill.

If ya got a question, get curious enough to go looking.

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I am Woman! I love Eureka Springs! I remain undaunted!

I am - Forever Curious
ForeverCurious@msn.com

[PMilam]

All of us "found" "Site design by: Digital Creative Services".

"I hear through the rumor mill".. nuff said.

[Forever Curious]

My apologies, PMilam. I must have misunderstood what everyone was asking. Guess I got a little too curious and ahead of myself on that one. Thanks for the kick in the backside.

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I am Woman! I love Eureka Springs! I remain undaunted!

I am - Forever Curious
ForeverCurious@msn.com

[Kim Yonkee]

And now a word from the horse's mouth ...

The answers to all of the questions posted here have been covered in the CAPC Finance Committee meetings. If you read Mary Jean Sell's column in the Times Echo, you know a little bit about the Finance Committee action because the TE covers all these meetings. The Citizen has not had a reporter at the meetings; a few local business owners like Kaye Miller and James DeVito have been there... but except for these few, there is hardly anyone who has observed the actual goings on. Note that the people who have actually seen the activities with their own eyes have been roundly criticized by a lot of people who weren't around for the fireworks. Really, if you were there, I think you'd understand why the critics are so angry.

A couple of the CAPC commissioners have said to us, "You (PIM) really need to make this public and raise Cain." Our response has been, "Hey, wait a minute! You people are supposed to be in charge of this. Why don't YOU take control of the situation?" And the answers include things like, "We're waiting for the next administration," or "Beau can be so vicious and I don't want to have the [fire marshall] [building inspector] [police] at my door because I spoke up against him."

At the moment, the immortal words of former CAPC Commissioner Calvin Cotton keep running through my brain, "We're not talking about a private club here. We're talking about a commission that is responsible for the economic well-being of an entire community." Important stuff, if you ask me. So all that said ...

How much money will be saved by this new site? Zero. As Beau put it, "OK, so the new site won't save us any money. It will probably cost us more money. But we'll have control!!" The reason for this is because there isn't anyone on the CAPC staff who knows how to do the actual work. There will always have to be somebody like DCS to do the programming and server administration, so there can't be an occasion where a CAPC web site can be done truly "in house."

Frankly, it wouldn't make sense to do it "in house" because there are a lot of different jobs involved in web site creation and maintenance. The system administrator, the programmer, the designer, the copywriter and the customer service people do five different tasks. If you could find one in-house employee that actually has all these skills, they wouldn't work for the salary the CAPC can afford to pay because their abilities would be very much in demand and they could write their own employment ticket elsewhere. Actually, one person wouldn't have time to do everything that needs to be done.

Moral of the story: Yes, you were told in the televised meeting that the point of this action was to save money. You had to be at the FC (finance committee) meeting to hear the confession that this isn't true.

Who is Simon Overbey? Someone Lynn Berry found, allegedly on the recommendation of a Dr. Zimmerman at the U of A. Overbey doesn't have a phone number (business or personal). His invoices have a Fayetteville PO box but, according to Lynn at the 4/11 CAPC meeting, Overbey is now in Seattle "looking for a job." At the moment, $17,000 has been spent on Simon Overbey to create a new Cold Fusion site. This is NOT the new site you see on *.ORG. The Overbey site was the one that Lynn reported at the 4/11 meeting as "ready to go, we just need to make it pretty." The design part was a Syd Satori task, before she left the payroll, though I don't know if she's done any further work in her new independent contractor status.

At the moment, taxpayers have paid for the same work 3 times. Three years plus original design to us, $17,000 to Overbey plus staff payroll for the currently-unused version, plus payment of some unknown amount for the DCS version you see now. Basically, all this happened because of inappropriate behavior by Chairman Jon Loudermilk, Mayor Beau Satori, and Marketing Director Lynn Berry. Again, you would have had to be a the FC meetings to catch all this, but here is the gist:

Back in February of 2001, we met with the CAPC staff and said, "If you're planning to take this site in-house, let's spend our final contract year accommodating that." At the FC meeting months later, Lynn was questioned about this and she said, "Yes, I remember the offer but I knew they wouldn't do it." So, as we know, a new beyond-budget site was built without the knowledge of most of the commission. Apparently, this action was taken on the strength of Lynn's "knowledge."

Some of the commissioners found out about this before it became very public, and they reported that Jon told them, "Don't tell The Girls (PIM) or they might destroy our existing ORG site." Of course, the commissioners did tell us and obviously we didn't destroy the site. I mention this to convey the general aura of sneakiness ... and, at one of those later FC meetings, when I said to Jon, "I am shocked that anyone who has done business with us for 7 years can run thousands of dollars out the back door of the commission on the weight of a comment about PIM you KNOW from personal experience is not true ..." well, he didn't answer me. He just gathered his papers and left the meeting.

Bear in mind that the CAPC already had a working site that is contractually required to be handed over to them in exchange for payment to PIM, so Beau was asked why all this money was spent for no reason. He replied, "I guess it was just paranoia." The cost to date at that time was $13,000, and FC member Zumwalt's retort was, "Thirteen thousand dollars is a lot of paranoia, Beau!!!"

Once the full commission DID find out, the issue hit the proverbial fan. At the first FC meeting after this revelation, I remember MJ Sell pounding her pencil on the table to punctuate her remarks: "I want the NAME of the PERSON who AUTHORIZED this expense!" Everyone looked at each other and Lynn said, "Uhh... uhhh.. it must have been the executive director. Yes! That's who it was! The executive director!" (This was a couple of days before Jef's termination).

The Lynn/Beau/Jon take on this is "Jef had the authority to spend whatever he wanted within certain limits, and this new site expenditure was within his spending limits." The rest of the commission said, "Wait a minute! We're talking about a complete change of marketing direction [which should be a CAPC decision] and we're spending money to re-invent and unnecessary wheel."

At that same meeting, the whole "where did this Overbey guy come from?" question was thoroughly discussed. Lynn reported that she had decided to go out and ask for quotes from different companies on re-doing the site. Until now, this task has been something that had to go out on a published request for credentials ... but it is actually OK for Lynn to hand pick the people she wants to use because a new law makes it OK to spend up to $20,000 without a request for bid or credential. Hence, you can have a $40,000 job that would require bid/credentials, or you can pay any number of companies up to $19,999 to do the same work. More than $20,000 has already been spent, not including the payroll of the CAPC staff...but it has not all been given to the same company. As far as I know, this is within the letter of the law ... though perhaps it is not in the spirit of good financial management.

It was also in the FC meeting that Lynn told the CAPC, "We plan to unveil this new site at the 4/11 meeting." What was actually "unveiled" at that televised meeting was a thick handout from Lynn, including the $30 an hour DCS quote you've heard Mr. VanCaulil refer to when he says, "Wait a minute! We're being charged $50 instead of $30. Why?!?" Other items in the packet included various "evaluations" of our work from more companies with no address, phone or portfolio. (We laughingly advised Jon that there is no need to waste time proving anything ... hey! We don't want this job! You don't have to find all these imaginary experts to badmouth us!) http://www.geekfest.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

That was the meeting where the CAPC voted to extend our contract ... remember: most of the commission was clueless about the goings on, and they just wanted a little time to decide the next direction without being, as they put it, "railroaded by the staff." Of course, they also made Jon the acting director ... which means that he would have had to sign the extension ... something that, of course, he made every excuse not to do. Towards the end of all this, Jon made a statement in a public meeting, "We can't talk about the web site in front of the press." Ummm...folks, these matters are required to be discussed in public instead of handled in back rooms by private arrangement. I mean, they ARE handled in back rooms by private arrangement, but they're not supposed to be and I frankly find it amazing that the perps are so blatant about this.

So, after spending endless weeks dealing with all the silliness, we decided that this was just a waste of time. We truly do have a lot better things to do, so we withdrew our offer to extend the contract. New Executive Director BKD was hired, and we told her, "Just pay our final bill, take the site on CD, and put it on line so that you can keep things going while you finish your new site." The CAPC response was to say, "We don't owe you any money, and we don't need the work you've done because we're doing it over again," so we're still spending time on the endless silliness of trying to get paid.

At the moment, their contention is that we did not do anything on the ORG site until October, 1999. They claim we could not have been doing anything because they were still paying Aristotle ... hilarious, in view of the fact that they have recently been under contract with us and paying a bunch of other companies at the same time. Actually, we have 36 months of contracts, starting in July of 1999. They've made 33 payments. We're billing for the last two ... a total of 35. We're not asking for the full 36 months because we weren't doing the full site work in the first month of the contract. There is yet another long story here, but the short version is, we've given documentation of what they owe us a couple of times via email to BKD. Then, BKD and one of the FC members came to the office and went over all the records with us, and discovered to their own satisfaction that the CAPC really does owe us the money. So ... BKD and FC member went to the FC meeting last week, and said, "We do owe this bill. Just pay it."

Instead, the FC decision was to hand the contract over to an attorney to "evaluate whether they actually owe the money." Yet another FC member arrived after this meeting and went over the documentation of what we actually did and when, including work orders signed by Beau in March of 1999 and server logs on our backups that cover the period they claim we weren't doing anything. He pronounced his satisfaction with the documentation as well, but we have yet to be paid for what all parties agree is due. Our attorney's remark was, "How much do they plan to spend to try to screw you out of this payment?" Good question, and all Eureka should know the answer to it soon.

As I understand it, Jon will be put back on the CAPC by Council at the next meeting so whatever the plans were can be right back on track. Meanwhile, DCS is just doing what they've been paid to do. Ironically enough, they're recreating EXACTLY what already exists on the the old ORG site. Ultimately, I think it would have been cheaper to just pay us because DCS would not have had to re-do all the business records that have caused so much consternation and they could have just done their own new stuff on top of what the CAPC had already paid for. As it stands now, DCS has to go from ground zero, the CAPC is going to have to pay us anyway ... either just the contract amount, or the contract amount plus a whole bunch of other stuff that I'll let our attorney explain to everyone, if necessary.

As a tax-PAYER, the inefficiency and waste bothers me a lot. Just on general principles, the idea that a few people can impose their rather ill-thought-out plans on an entire community bothers me a lot. Make no mistake: We don't wish that we could have worked something out ... we don't want to DO this work for the CAPC. But the whole situation with the web site, the auditorium re-build, the printed ads, the claim that "we're spending more money on advertising than ever..." all these things tweak my generic integrity and responsibility button. If you attend a few of these committee meetings or actually look at the before and after budgets, I suspect you would be tweaked too. When the commissioners will say privately, "This isn't working!" but won't take public action to make it work ... when the business people say, "I don't like this but I'm afraid to say anything because I don't want to be made 'an example,'...." well, what shall we do?

What we do is what we CAN do, and that's put Eureka before the world via www.flyeureka.com (http://www.flyeureka.com) and a whole bunch of other projects that haven't even been announced yet. We need to get thee behind us, CAPC, so we can pay attention to useful things that matter.

As ever, the Eureka Springs Tourist Center at www.eurekasprings.com (http://www.eurekasprings.com) will deliver business to Eureka Springs ... as it has since before the CAPC ever considered joining the world of internet, and as it will continue to do, regardless of the activities of the CAPC (or anyone else).

[amazed]

Kim, thank you for explaining what has happened to PIMs. Certainly hope that you get the money owed to you. November can't get here soon enough so that we can clean house down at City Hall and stop these unethical goings-on. The house is very dirty!! As a Citizen and taxpayer, I am disgusted and disheartened.

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[becsflowers]

I think it is a DISGRACE for the CAPC to have not paid PIM. I am insulted that the PIM group does not have the city's web site anymore. I also think the CAPC is LUCKY in the fact that PIM has not sued them. Out of pure RESPECT for the taxpayers here , I'm sure.

Thank you for the information on the finance meetings via this site.

Thank you to Kaye Miller for attending the meetings. I believe you are honest and worthy enough, and if your skin is tough enough, I wish you would run for something. I would campaign for you.

To all the "paranoid" people out there who s*** in their own nest as well as the nest of all the other public, you need a rest from politics.

Government waste is at an all time high. Our county right now is having a hard time coming up with enough money for the jail and 911 system.

Thank goodness the Preservation Society is going to help preserve our local parks. With hard earned money they RAISED locally. Not from some GRANT, (John Q Public's TAX money.) I am proud of all of you, and am honored to have served on the past board with all of you.

You crybabies and everyone associated with the crybabies need to wake up and smell the coffee. Money is running out all over. You will be forced into spending on priority items. Double, tripple spending for things we already had is a terrible, wasteful thing.

[Becky Davis]

Good grief. Has all of the honor left in our city government?
I hope you girls keep going until you get your money, even if just for the principle.

[Kaye Miller]

Thank you becsflowers. It is nice to have a positive stroke once in a while!!! Usually it is just a lot of flack from those who do not agree with me.

I do not live in Eureka Springs but work there almost 24/7. We have lived and owned businesses in this area for 10 years. We collect a sizable amount of CAPC tax. It has been very discouraging to work so hard and watch those advertising dollars being frittered away these last FOUR years.

It is also discouraging to see how people trying to make a difference are treated. (Note what was said to me when I commented about making changes in November. Note how people are made fun of when they paint a house.) Sad

I cannot vote, so I try to attend meetings whenever possible and watch all televised ones.

We have emailed the commissioners as to how we feel about the upcoming CAPC position. (James DeVito, your email came back undeliverable, so expect a phone call. Gail Money, I'll be calling you at the lodge too!!)

By the way, everyone can get a copy of CAPC job descriptions and what the job pays. Get ready Sheila (she is used to me by now), I am going to be by to get a copy of the June financials. Want to know where this money is actually going.

Thanks again becs!!

Becky, there are those in the city government really trying to make a difference. It is a hard, thankless job and they are often critized (often times by me). However there are some holding office who feel perhaps the "titles" give them free reign.

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[All About Love]

Kim stated the exact reason why so many people don't attend/speak out at meetings or post anonymously with their criticisms, complaints, suggestions or questioning how or why some of these things have happened in our town: "We're waiting for the next administration," or "Beau can be so vicious and I don't want to have the [fire marshall] [building inspector] [police] at my door because I spoke up against him." And "When the commissioners will say privately, "This isn't working!" but won't take public action to make it work ... when the business people say, "I don't like this but I'm afraid to say anything because I don't want to be made 'an example,'...." well, what shall we do?"

It's a matter of control and who has it. It doesn't seem like many businesses or voters have it or maybe they don't want to take responsibility. I don't know, but I do know there are a lot of disgruntled owners complaining out loud now. Will they take action? Those of us who live out of the city limits are usually condemned for speaking our opinions on things we can't vote on even though they do directly affect our business and our lives. To quote Kim again..."well, what shall we do?"

Most of us are continuing to advertise on our own and network with other businesses through referrals. If nothing else at least we are getting to know each other by networking and that is a good thing. This is not solving the problem(s) at hand as listed in her post.

"Well, what shall we do?"

[mad4eureka]

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[Royal Alcott]

C mo-

I do not have a tourist business here.

I never had a reason to look at a web site designed to inform visitors where to spend money once they get here.

I have never seen the old site. Does that answer your question?

But I have seen any excuse used by some to slam people on this BB with or wihout vulgarity.

[Kaye Miller]

"But I have seen any excuse used by some to slam people on this BB with or without vulgarity." - Royal Alcott

Anyone see any irony here???


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[C-mo]

Royal, point well taken. Please accept my apology for the petty name calling.

[moblues4u]

In response to the possible re-nomination of Jon Loudermilk, If he is not re-appointed then what current member of the CAPC would you like to see as chairperson. If there isn't one then does anyone have a name of someone who would be good?

[Royal Alcott]

C mo-

Done,and thank you.

[mad4eureka]

would do a better job than the chiarman who just paid for 3 websites in one year

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[seemstome]

just because they say capc owes them money
does not make it true....

maybe just maybe this could be a case of
he said she said....

folks...i have learned only about 10% of
what is posted on this site is truth..but
if u make the right calls u can find out the
truth...should i share this info ....no...
its more fun to watch u'all back stab and
bicker about things most of u really know
nothing about!

[Royal Alcott]

Praise the town in public for money.

Damn the town in private for kicks.

[christfly]

Wow... That's just about all I can say about this, and I don't mean "wow" in a good way. Looks like there's a lot of work to be done, but doesn't help to stand around and complain about it, let's all try to pitch in and help make it better, ok?

[happyface]

I haven't posted before but now you got me. You have got to be joking. We have paid for the same thing 3 times already and now you want me to volunteer to pitch in and fix it? Or do you mean we need to pitch in to make sure that the pimps get paid and that capc cannot keep stealing money and lying to us about it? Which thing do you want to fix?

[po'd]

just because they say capc owes them money
does not make it true....

Double voting tax evader and convicted drug dealer versus who? I'm soooooo confused about who to belive. DDDDDDDDUUUUUUHHHH!

[Lucinda]

Regarding money owed or not.... There is nothing in Kim’s posts that smacks of anything other than credibility. She’s a business woman, I'm sure she has her records in place. It is simply a matter of comparing contract to fact. On the flip side, whenever there is a dispute of this nature it is common business practice on the part of the paying party to scrutinize those records for accuracy. Then, the entity will always do everything possible to mitigate the amount. Sorry but, as ridiculous as this particular situation really is, that Biz 101, that’s how it works. If Kim has her all of her documentation, she will likely retain the lion’s share of the money owed her and my guess is Jan has above average negotiating skills :) If I had every nickel contractually owed to me by the likes of Ford, Proctor & Gamble, General Mills, etc. that I was forced to negotiate away in a settlement agreement, I would be in full-up retirement instead of running a B&B in Eureka.

Kim does have the advantage of having this forum in which to post her POV whereas the CAPC does not have the same opportunity. Do not blame the women at the CAPC for their silence here or if they are posting under the veil of assumed identities, (as potentially noxious as those postings MAY be). Their lack of response is likely upon advice from legal counsel or good sense. This is not an appropriate forum to formally engage in battle.


[This message has been edited by Lucinda (edited 07-18-2002).]

[Mishey]

There are always two sides to every story people! So don't always "ASSUME" that your "FRIENDS" are telling the truth!

[kukukachu]

ass/u/me