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mothers_daughter
06-01-2002, 07:47 PM
What is the deal with all the bikers in town? My gosh, they are loud and rude and terribly annoying!

BigBadBoy
06-02-2002, 05:46 AM
It's ok to break the law, if you are spending money. Some of the bikes are way too loud.

jf501
06-02-2002, 06:27 AM
The prices we pay for being a tourist town!

They are here for the biggest festival of the year, the one that curculates more revenue in one weekend then any other.

Most of the Harley riders I know these days are above average income earners and are only rebels by the weekend. Heck I can't afford one they are expensive machines!

I'm sorry but I haven't witnessed any of them being terrible rude and most tourist that I have talked to, old and young enjoy seeing them.

After we kick them out of town who are we going to go on the warpath with next??

The blue hairs for driving to slow, not watching the road while they are reading the signs and stealing salt shakers from the buffets!

just wondering
06-02-2002, 08:26 AM
jf501, when you old and started paying overpriced medical bills, you will see why the old folks are "stealing salt shakers from the buffets". Just the other day saw a 70 year woman busted in Springdale for shoplifting. Why don't the police do the same here?

just wondering
06-02-2002, 08:35 AM
jf501, "the prices we pay for being a tourist town!" Like being over 70 and falling off a city trolley car?

Rachal
06-02-2002, 08:36 AM
It was also the Poker Run in town this weekend. That is completely made up of bikers for a benefit. That may be why there are so many more this year.

sweetness&light
06-02-2002, 11:02 AM
What a puzzlement. We bitch and moan that we don't have visitors, i.e. a financially positive economy, then bitch and moan when we get visitors.

I know the bikes are loud, the Corvette people are ruder than most, blue hairs drive slow and don't buy much, and in a perfect world the bikes would run silently, the Corvettes would occasionally allow a local car to merge into traffic thereby cutting into their perfect parade, and the blue hairs would all live at Sunny Acres Retirement Farm with the cow that invented Blue Bell ice cream and order all their purchases from Eureka by mail.

This world ain't perfect, people, and the bikers and others are not here 12 months a year...just a few short months. As stated by jf501, this IS a tourist town and TOURISM is our only economy. So if you want to make a financial gain to pay your living expenses in order to live here, you're going to have to either accept the inconveniences, bring in another economy not dependent upon tourism, or sign petitions banning noise and music, sit back and watch the town shrivel up to boarded up windows. Then it will be very, very quiet.

kukukachu
06-02-2002, 11:11 AM
Usually agree with you, sweets, but, when you are working downtown, and you are afraid the windows will shake down from the motorcycle noise, and you have to pause, making a sale, because they are reving up out front, then, you want the loud motorcycles to be stopped.
Yes, most of the bikers buy. Most are law abiding, and courteous. The reving in mid town is rude and abnoxious. Might as well be setting off firecrackers! They should be stopped. A lot of people that are in town to shop, spend money, all those things we love, are just as offended by the reving as we are. Those people won't come back if we continue to allow it to go on.

kukukachu
06-02-2002, 11:12 AM
Oh, yeah, they ARE here 12 months out of the year!

sweetness&light
06-02-2002, 11:47 AM
I know what you mean about the noise working downtown; been there, still there. This is the predicament: We already mooned the buses out of town and are still reaping the wiseness of that crack. Do we have the police come down with their noise counter and then escort the offending bike(s) out of town with all their pissed off non-offending buddies with them as a show of support? These people will tell everyone they know, bikers or drivers, and we'll be back down to zilch, known as an unfriendly place to visit.

What is the solution? We all know downtown is like being inside one giant megaphone. If you're standing in front of the New Orleans, you can hear people talking at Chelsea's. If you're up at East Mountain, you can clearly hear the band rocking out on Basin Hotel's balcony.

Isn't there a happy medium (other than my psychic sow prowess) to be reached with the bikers and still have them returning here as guests? The only bike I own is pig-powered and I'm the only one making noise, so I have no practical experience to offer in this matter. Perhaps you can check with the Chief and some of his officers, as they are bikers and might know how to keep the noise down....or not.

kukukachu
06-02-2002, 12:34 PM
from: http://www.lovelycitizen.com/cgi-bin/news/fullnews.cgi?newsid1022729345,84305,


“I’ve told my officers to enforce and I put it in writing.” Hyatt showed the Citizen a memo dated June 2001 he distributed to the department ordering enforcement. “It has come to my attention on numerous occasions lately that officers are ignoring violations or avoiding the enforcement of violations,” Hyatt wrote. “This will cease
immediately. From this day forth, all officers will strictly enforce city codes and
ordinances, especially noise, parking and signs/banners. There are no exceptions to this rule.”

BigBadBoy
06-02-2002, 01:21 PM
I don't think we should run anyone off. I do think everyone should have obey the laws. I wonder how many tickets were written for loud pipes this weekend?

Royal Alcott
06-02-2002, 03:18 PM
John-

Isn't War Eagle Week in October the biggest revenue producer for Eureka Springs?

And the best part of War Eagle Week is the town doesn't have to do anything but be here.

mothers_daughter
06-02-2002, 03:41 PM
kukukachu, you are so right, they are rude because they sit there and rev up their bikes, and you can't even hear your customers, and the customers hold their ears when they go by. Don't get me wrong, I like Harleys, but I'm afraid they will run off other tourists, I know if I were to bring my family to Eureka, and saw all those bikes parked down town, and hear them reving up, I wouldn't even try to find a place to park, I would say lets go to the next town. And I know the blue hairs don't like them either! They should put parking meters every three feet down town, so each bike has to pay for parking! Think of that revenue.. and of course they should be ticketed for loud mufflers! I know most of them are really nice people, but it always takes a few to wreck it for everyone else. All they need to do is have alittle respect for the shop owners, and the bed and breakfasts and motels, thats not much to ask. You would think it would be common sense!

Mishey
06-02-2002, 04:03 PM
I must say that I love the Harley's,sure they are a little loud but most people young and old love it.You have your good and bad riders but the ones I have incounted are really nice and respectable people and I work in a tourist related job also.

However I must say that when it comes to tickets as someone stated earlier that they are kind of over looked to a certain extent.I know when the corvettes come into town the cops are sitting up town every few feet just waiting for someone to do a burn out and slap a ticket on them but not during blues fest....I wonder how come this is?I saw many bikes rev it up in front of the cops this weenkend...whats the difference?

I love blues fest and the car shows lets just try to be fair about them all.People come here on blues fest and love when Harley riders get on it,and just like during corvette weekend people love to watch burn outs, and if people are doing this safely then whats the big deal?JUST LET PEOPLE HAVE A LITTLE FUN!

Dani Joy
06-02-2002, 07:38 PM
I really wonder how many of us would work for what our police officers get paid and put up with the abuse that they go through. I was with the officers a lot of the time last night watching the way people were acting. Most of them were just having a good time, but there were those who didn't know when to stop with the booze and were picked up. As most everyone by now knows there was a man that was stabbed on Friday night. Would you really want to be the one arresting the guilty party? I think that before judgements are made on anyone, we should stand in their shoes for just one day. I wouldn't want the job.

sweetness&light
06-02-2002, 07:39 PM
Doing burnouts and racing at Beaver Dam is what got the Corvettes 86'd from having their annual picnic there. I think we all know it's pretty bad when the sheriff actually bans a large group of yearly tourists from assembling at a public place. It's rather humorous when you think about them having their annual meet at the dam, then being banned from there for being very bad, and now they meet at Passion Play. Perhaps a hidden message? More likely that was the largest place with parking for all of them.

I guess when you're a tourist you sometimes leave common courtesy at home.

leon bee
06-02-2002, 10:57 PM
Please make no mistake: the motorcycle noise is making other visitors reconsider Eureka Springs. I spoke, literally, with hundreds this weekend who think we have serious grounds for concern.

jf501
06-03-2002, 05:22 AM
All I will say is being in the service/tourist business you have to deal with all types of customers. When you get selective you offend and that will haunt you. AS WE HAVE ALREADY WITNESSED THAT! As Sweetness stated, if we can't handle being a single industry economy, diversify and then we can be more selective

Leon, I spoke with many that enjoy them and witness thousands that envied them!

Royal, I think you would be right a few years ago about war eagle. This spring’s war eagle came and went without notice. The last few fall war eagles we haven't even sold out all our lodging rooms.

Eureka Springs doesn't put out the money for promoting the blues festival Sally Thackery does, she is the promoter and Eureka Springs is the benefactor financially as with war eagle.

Let’s see how the tax collections go for each period.

Yes we need to make people obey the laws!

But we need to cater to our customers as well. Grin and bare a little! Geez know buddy is getting hurt by them


[This message has been edited by jf501 (edited 06-03-2002).]

amazed
06-03-2002, 08:15 AM
Whether on bikes, in cars, or on foot, visitors who break the law should not be tolerated just because they spend money. Spending money does not mean one is granted immunity from the laws of the community or the state of Arkansas. It is not the bikers who are law abiding but those with illegal pipes that are the problem.

car,son
06-03-2002, 09:44 AM
I believe that if some of the bikers were approached, possibly through the Iron Horse Stables, and asked to show some respect and courtesy that there is a very good possibility that they would police them-selves and the problem would be solved. I don't think they are intententionally being "urde and obnoxious".

Toad Lilly
06-03-2002, 11:54 AM
For a new and novel idea which has been passed around and around for at least 15 years...close off Spring Street and have it be like it was Friday and Saturday nights. It's so nice to be able to walk around downtown without all the cars and bikes and buses. This would get rid of the roar of the bikes but not offend the few people who are actually coming to Eureka. Shopkeepers-start yelling!

outsider2002
06-03-2002, 05:28 PM
In many European countries they have those pedestrian zones all over downtown, and people just _love_ it! There is a gaspowered bus coming by for shoppers- you can flag that little bus down anytime you see it, and it will stop for you... Another suggestion (I don't know your lovely town): how about planting some trees or shrubs along the roads to help mute the traffic noise? They would at the same time help provide some cool shade in the summer, help beautify the street, and with the same token even help clean the air... What else can you get that serves so many pruposes for one price?

becsflowers
06-03-2002, 06:38 PM
how about planting some trees or shrubs along the roads to help mute the traffic noise?

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!GOT SOME!

sweetness&light
06-03-2002, 06:54 PM
You must come here for a visit, outsider2002. We have been designated an Official Tree City from the government for years. We're in the Ozark hills which are just covered top to bottom in all kinds of trees from red and white oak, dogwoods, redbuds, sycamores, pines, cedars, catawlpa, mimmosa, everything but palms and banana trees.

The Victorian downtown that people are talking about is really down in a hollow with stone walls, hillsides, and rocks covering the sides with even more trees. Our streets are VERY narrow since the town was built in the mid 1800's and it is historic, so the streets have not been widened. This is what makes music, motorcycles and blood curdling screams from certain complaining shopkeepers heard all over town and way up the hills. There is no where for the noise to escape, so it reverberates all over the place making it seem ever louder.

Our limestone sidewalks are so narrow, there's barely room for 2 people to walk abreast, so there's no room for more trees, but we do have several pocket parks with flowers and trees. You really should come for a visit; you'd fall in love with it, just like the rest of us.

Carriageguy
06-06-2002, 09:00 AM
Here's the problem as I sees it from behind the horses butt. if ya invite everyone, then SOMEONE is gonna be offended. So WHO are we gonna offend by tellin them THEY cant offend THOSE folk?
Those few REALLY LOUD bikes are gettin worse and worse. Get a muffler for cripes sake! It aint all of em, just a few that have a DRAIN PIPE instead of a muffler. Ticket those and leave the reest alone I guess. Sound reasonable?

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kernicerus
06-07-2002, 01:42 AM
I've always loved the idea of spring being closed on weekend nights so people could party.I think it would be great but i'm not everybody.I visit new orleans alot and LOVE that place so much.Maybe eureka should become a party destination.We'd probably be able to afford more cops that way to handle the massive amount of people.I've kinda noticed the touble that goes down on blues fest seems to be people from the surrounding area.Any way it's an idea

snowdiva
06-07-2002, 01:44 AM
I don't mind the bikes or the people that ride them...its just the noise I can't stand. Put a muffler on it and all will be well.......and party on.......

Lita
06-09-2002, 01:09 PM
From reading everyones posts, I think we all agree no matter what group comes to Eureka, there will usually be a bad apple in every bunch. Therefore we shouldn't harshly judge the whole group. One thing I have realized since moving back to Eureka over nine years ago, the bike enthusiasts coming to Eureka has increased ten fold it seems. I think it is great ! I look at it as making up for the busses which have been lost. If we invite EVERYONE and EVERY GROUP to come to Eureka, we can't pick and choose who those lucky few may be. We can only enforce the law to those who abuse it. I can certainly understand it being too noisy downtown when they ride up spring street. But, personally, I find it hard to complain about the bikes when I think back to how hard it was to make the bills last winter. The more tourists the better. This includes bikes, blue hairs, corvettes, mustangs, street rods, ......you name it, I will welcome them all. After all, we only have a few short months of the year here in Eureka to have to tolerate it.

As far as Blues Fest went, it went very smooth at the Copa. No fights, no problems. Everyone was well behaved and everyone had a great time. I have received emails from tourist which came to the Copa, and they said they would definetly be back next year and they loved Eureka Springs. I talk to a lot of tourist who come in the Copa, and I have yet to hear of anyone complaining about the bikes. Most of the ones I come in contact with are here to have a good time and enjoy their vacation. Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems if people came to Eureka wanting peace and quiet, they would be staying outside the city limits, or out at the lake.

I guess in a nutshell, it seems there will never be a solution to make everyone happy. Maybe we just have to learn to be more tolerant, and agree to disagree with each other.

becsflowers
06-09-2002, 02:19 PM
The bikes who came through here and helped raise over 3 grand for the council on aging were a good group. Yes I agree with the carriage guy. Ticket those loud pipes. Ticket them plenty...so our city coffer will runneth over with plenty of green. So plentiful that we will actually look forward to having the loud bunch here! Bikes are not bad. Loud pipes are. Word of mouth spreads. How long do you think a few stiff fines for loud pipes will take before we just see quiet bikes? But don't get used to all that stiff penalty money being part of the regular budget...

Harikat
06-10-2002, 10:00 PM
There IS a sign up sheet for those who would like to see the muffler law enforced...John Mitchell has a copy, Terry Freeman has a copy, Ludean Cross has a copy, and I met a gentleman downtown who had 25 sheets in his hand, and tourist were in line to sign their names, asking the powers that be to please enforce Ark. Code 27-10-104 requiring all motorcycles to have standard mufflers.

If those good folks visiting us were so offended by the motorcycle roar, as to sign a petition so they could hear each other talk, perhaps we should pay attention.

Or as Bill King put it so well, where's the respect?

Harikat
06-10-2002, 10:01 PM
There IS a sign up sheet for those who would like to see the muffler law enforced...John Mitchell has a copy, Terry Freeman has a copy, Ludean Cross has a copy, and I met a gentleman downtown who had 25 sheets in his hand, and tourist were in line to sign their names, asking the powers that be to please enforce Ark. Code 27-20-104 requiring all motorcycles to have standard mufflers.

If those good folks visiting us were so offended by the motorcycle roar, as to sign a petition so they could hear each other talk, perhaps we should pay attention.

Or as Bill King put it so well, where's the respect?

BigBadBoy
06-11-2002, 06:07 AM
Why do we have to ask to have a law enforced? Why? Why? Why? Maybe loud pipes is like parking on the sidewalk? Just depends on who you are!

Mishey
06-11-2002, 11:21 AM
THATS A GOOD ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!